Rank Today's Hockey Goaltenders, Top 5

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
Also note, Toronto's goaltending tonight was even more asstastic than Telqvists'.

well thats a for sure-- although the highlights I saw, a good few of them were breakaways and slappers from like 10 feet out where the golaie had little chance

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
I need to revise my list to put Roloson as #1 now. Amazing performance.

I watched the 3rd period of that one . The winning goal was particularly ugly. It was almost from behind the net and trickled through the pads.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher
Telqvist is a good, backup-quality goaltender.

Tough to agree with that when he is 40th or 41st out of the playing goaltenders . . . or do you argue that those numbers would be better if he played less.

PLaying for Phoenix helps explain his poor GAA but goalies with weaker teams can sometimes have very good Sv %.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
I need to revise my list to put Roloson as #1 now. Amazing performance.

Oilers fans are speechless. Have you seen a shot of MacTavish after the wrap around (7th goal)?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber


I watched the 3rd period of that one . The winning goal was particularly ugly. It was almost from behind the net and trickled through the pads.

No, that was the first goal. Turgeon banked it in off Roli's knee/thigh from the boards.

For the last goal at least the player's stick had to be on the 'right' side of the line.

[Tingkai]

An unbaised assessment would put Brodeur at No. 1. He's got the Cup wings to prove his worth and he delivers when the money is down. It's one thing to have potential. It is another thing to have actually won the Cup.

Hasek would rate in the top five. The question about him is not his age, but whether he will get in a pout and invent another mysterious illness. If he doesn't the Wings are cup contenders.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
An unbaised assessment would put Brodeur at No. 1. He's got the Cup wings to prove his worth and he delivers when the money is down. It's one thing to have potential. It is another thing to have actually won the Cup.

Hasek would rate in the top five. The question about him is not his age, but whether he will get in a pout and invent another mysterious illness. If he doesn't the Wings are cup contenders.

I guess you and I are looking at different criteria. I really do not care what goaltenders have accomplished in the past, I care about what they can do today (thus the "today's" qualifier). That's why Huet ranks so high.

I'm mostly looking at this season's performance. I value very highly consistency and how many games they can play reliably.

Brodeur is 6th in GAA and 7th in sv%. If you look at his game log, he's had a lot of off nights compared to the guys I put in #1 and #2 on the chart: 10 games with below 90% svp so far.

Kiprusoff has 6, and 4 of those were within the first 6 games of the season. Ever since then he's been rock solid.

And that, my friend, is why Kiprusoff is the #1 goaltender today in the NHL hockey league.

You'd be better off if you stopped looking at history as a critically important part of today's players. It doesn't matter what they did years ago, it matters what they're doing now.

[Asher]

Tingkai's top 5

1) Martin Brodeur
2) Andrew Raycroft
3) Ed Belfour
4) Curtis Joseph
5) J-S Aubin

[Flubber]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No, that was the first goal. Turgeon banked it in off Roli's knee/thigh from the boards.

For the last goal at least the player's stick had to be on the 'right' side of the line.

NO I was remembering correctly. Its why I said the scorer was "almost" behind the net. but there were other ugly goals as well.


The interesting thing is that since Budai won that game it is looking like the Avs might use him tonight against the Flames. Theodore is looking like a more and more expensive backup

[cinch]

I don't know if he's made it back to Top 5 status, but Khabibulin has been looking great as of late. Unfortunately, he's surrounded by a sub-par, youth-filled defense corps.

Relatedly, I think--if not for his injury--Havlat would have proven to be the top skater in the NHL this year. Heck, he might even attain that honour *despite* that injury, if he can lead the Hawks into the playoffs. (Big 'if'!)

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher


I guess you and I are looking at different criteria. I really do not care what goaltenders have accomplished in the past, I care about what they can do today (thus the "today's" qualifier).

THtas the reason I see the criteria to be the goalie I could choose if I could choose any in the NHL for my team RIGHT NOW, assuming a current playoff team or contender and assuming no budget constraints and no concerns for next year

[Flubber]

If all one wants is stats, lets look at the top 10 on the two big goalie stats


RK Player Team GP SA GA W L OT Sv Sv% SO G A PIM TOI GAA
1 DOMINIK HASEK DET 26 552 48 17 5 3 504 .913 5 0 0 16 1,530:45 1.88
2 EVGENI NABOKOV SJS 17 455 33 10 6 0 422 .927 3 0 0 0 972:59 2.03
3 J GIGUERE ANA 32 854 64 23 3 5 790 .925 4 0 1 0 1,810:38 2.12
4 MIIKKA KIPRUSOFF CGY 29 850 62 16 11 2 788 .927 4 0 0 0 1,736:31 2.14
5 VESA TOSKALA SJS 18 485 38 14 4 0 447 .922 3 0 1 0 1,058:35 2.15
6 MARTIN BRODEUR NJD 31 855 68 18 11 2 787 .920 4 0 0 6 1,861:37 2.19
7 MARTY TURCO DAL 28 698 58 16 10 0 640 .917 3 0 2 6 1,575:53 2.21
8 CRISTOBAL HUET MTL 23 735 49 14 3 3 686 .933 2 0 0 0 1,289:46 2.28
9 CHRIS MASON NSH 19 590 43 12 4 2 547 .927 2 0 1 2 1,114:29 2.32
10 ROBERTO LUONGO VAN 33 863 77 17 14 1 786 .911 2


and

1 CRISTOBAL HUET MTL 23 .933 686 14 3 3 49 2.28 735 2 0 0 0 1,289:46
2 EVGENI NABOKOV SJS 17 .928 422 10 6 0 33 2.03 455 3 0 0 0 972:59
3 MIIKKA KIPRUSOFF CGY 29 .927 788 16 11 2 62 2.14 850 4 0 0 0 1,736:31
4 CHRIS MASON NSH 19 .927 547 12 4 2 43 2.32 590 2 0 1 2 1,114:29
5 J GIGUERE ANA 32 .925 790 23 3 5 64 2.12 854 4 0 1 0 1,810:38
6 VESA TOSKALA SJS 18 .922 447 14 4 0 38 2.15 485 3 0 1 0 1,058:35
7 MARTIN BRODEUR NJD 31 .920 787 18 11 2 68 2.19 855 4 0 0 6 1,861:37
8 TOMAS VOKOUN NSH 16 .920 447 11 4 1 39 2.48 486 1 0 0 4 941:36
9 MARTY TURCO DAL 28 .917 640 16 10 0 58 2.21 698 3 0 2 6 1,575:53
10 NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN CHI 21 .917 572 12 6 2 52 2.50 624 0 0 0 6 1,247:50

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher

You'd be better off if you stopped looking at history as a critically important part of today's players. It doesn't matter what they did years ago, it matters what they're doing now.

Asher I disagree with you on this. I believe some of the history matters. I believe that the fact that Brodeur has really stepped up in games that counted historically matters. It doesn't matter so much if his stats are crap but since they are not crap I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

So far my top 5 has only got to #2 as I am at

1. Kipper
2. Brodeur

so you can see I am between the two positions

I see the other contenders as Turco, Huet. Hasek, Khabibulin, Nabokev even Luongo but its tough to choose. All have been good for more than this season.

[Asher]

Yes, it matters if they can play in high-pressure games. But it doesn't matter if the team he was on won the cup, as long as he played stellar.

Kiprusoff, again, works in that category. 5 shutouts in 26 games in the Flames playoff run, ~0.930 sv% too with a 1.85 GAA.

Tingkai's emphasis on if they won the cup is what I consider troubling. That's much more a factor of teamplay than goalie play, which is what we're concerned with here.

[Tingkai]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

I really do not care what goaltenders have accomplished in the past,

I'm mostly looking at this season's performance.

Originally posted by Asher
Kiprusoff, again, works in that category. 5 shutouts in 26 games in the Flames playoff run, ~0.930 sv% too with a 1.85 GAA.

Tingkai's emphasis on if they won the cup is what I consider troubling.

Are you ****ing kidding? No team can win the Cup without superb goaltending. That was the fact before the lockout and it is still a fact now. I can't believe I even have to write this basic fact.

If you going to judge the best goalie in the league today, you need to look at who has proven they can handle the pressure and win, Brodeur can do it and Hasek can do it.

More over, in the last 12 years, Brodeur has played at a consistently high level and continues to play at that level.

Brodeur has proven himself at every level of the game, something that Turco, Giguere, Heut and Kippersoft have not done.