GO TO HELL, I CAN'T EVEN LEAVE THE COUNTRY NOW, NAZI POS!

[Geronimo]

We are not her therapists and she didn't ask for psychological counseling.

Good.

My questions were attempts to gather information to address the specific threats. After that, depending on the specific concerns perhaps there could be specific ideas. Places to put your money, contingency planning to evade persecution. The starting point for that is discussing the specific threats. If you just observe that trump is clearly a Nazi and there's every reason to believe he will try to kill you somehow, any day now, then your stress will be paralyzing and helplessness maximized. That's not "psychology" that's just practicality.

Normally I enjoy your posts Lori and respect your opinion but right now maybe your're the poster who needs to shut up and has nothing useful to offer and plenty of aggravation to offer instead Maybe


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[giblets]

Maybe Thorn's fears are based on the fact that the US government has just banned trans people from serving in the military, banned their entry into the country, banned their ability to use the bathroom of their choice, banned any research relating to them, and heavily implied that they're all predatory pedophiles. Those all sound like things to legitimately be worried about. Maybe we shouldn't belittle Thorn's concerns. Maybe we should just find ways to help her with what she's going through, and if we can't, maybe we should just shut the **** up.

Don't forget, claiming unprecedented powers for the executive branch.

[Lorizael]

Good.

My questions were attempts to gather information to address the specific threats. After that, depending on the specific concerns perhaps there could be specific ideas. Places to put your money, contingency planning to evade persecution. The starting point for that is discussing the specific threats. If you just observe that trump is clearly a Nazi and there's every reason to believe he will try to kill you somehow, any day now, then your stress will be paralyzing and helplessness maximized. That's not "psychology" that's just practicality.

Normally I enjoy your posts Lori and respect your opinion but right now maybe your're the poster who needs to shut up and has nothing useful to offer and plenty of aggravation to offer instead Maybe

​You repeatedly mentioned stress and stressors, along with "ill-defined fears." If you want to pivot to offering practical advice, great, but don't pretend that's what you were going with originally. I am ****ing tired of discussion. A member of our forum comes on here terrified at real persecution by the US government targeting her and people like her and most of the thread is spent debating the merits of gender-affirming care in minors. What the actual ****, people.

A friend of mine is involved with a number of trans communities with members facing similar problems. I'm talking to that friend now to see what practical help is available.

[Geronimo]

​You repeatedly mentioned stress and stressors, along with "ill-defined fears." If you want to pivot to offering practical advice, great, but don't pretend that's what you were going with originally. I am ****ing tired of discussion. A member of our forum comes on here terrified at real persecution by the US government targeting her and people like her and most of the thread is spent debating the merits of gender-affirming care in minors. What the actual ****, people.

A friend of mine is involved with a number of trans communities with members facing similar problems. I'm talking to that friend now to see what practical help is available.

Because that is specifically what she highlights in the "focus" post! Holy crap. You are the one offering psychology and patronization here. I wonder if you would try to shield Thorn like this if she wasn't a member of a protected class fearing persecution for being a member of that protected class. Has Thorn asked for that?

From Thorn I'm hearing this:

My point is they have so royally messed up the passport system in the state department and state ids by doing this I’m caught in a net of bull****, that has trapped me, and bad things are in store for me where I could get hurt or worse! I was just living my life, now I live in constant stress and in fact am sick because it is dropping my immune system, and complicating my other medical issues.

Living in constant stress until sick is best tackled by identifying the primary stressors and mitigating them. All I asked for was more details. There is no reason Thorn can't mitigate risk enough to get her health back even if the passport fubar has no quick fix.


That's not a pivot. You have a long history of thinking you know what people "really" mean and it causes no end of trouble.
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[Thorn]

‘Transgender’ and ‘queer’ erased from Stonewall Uprising national monument website​ Now they are ERASING US from OUR OWN HISTORY!!

What is this is this world society so ****ed up we have to have a holocaust every 100 years now! You laugh and downplay this, you will be judged by history, too bad i probably won't be around to see it by then.

[MOBIUS]

​You repeatedly mentioned stress and stressors, along with "ill-defined fears." If you want to pivot to offering practical advice, great, but don't pretend that's what you were going with originally. I am ****ing tired of discussion. A member of our forum comes on here terrified at real persecution by the US government targeting her and people like her and most of the thread is spent debating the merits of gender-affirming care in minors. What the actual ****, people.

A friend of mine is involved with a number of trans communities with members facing similar problems. I'm talking to that friend now to see what practical help is available.

Geronimo is a curious one, isn't he?

It's like he's not all there. Like a bit of his frontal lobe is missing...?

[MOBIUS]

‘Transgender’ and ‘queer’ erased from Stonewall Uprising national monument website​ Now they are ERASING US from OUR OWN HISTORY!!

What is this is this world society so ****ed up we have to have a holocaust every 100 years now! You laugh and downplay this, you will be judged by history, too bad i probably won't be around to see it by then.

Seriously though, I reckon you definitely have grounds for claiming asylum in Canada 😥

It is amazing how it seems like half of the population of the US can be so heartless to their fellow citizens, or humankind in general 😥

[N35t0r]

Seriously though, I reckon you definitely have grounds for claiming asylum in Canada 😥

It is amazing how it seems like half of the population of the US can be so heartless to their fellow citizens, or humankind in general 😥

What's that I just heard whooshing past? Oh, just a bit of self-reflection, shame it didn't seem to stay for a while.

[MOBIUS]

You're the contradiction by supporting the war in Ukraine and the untold death and suffering its caused, ultimately for the nothing that I've predicted countless times already. 👎

Shame on you. 😥

I happen to be a compassionate realist who realised that provoking Russia into attacking Ukraine was going to cause this pointless death and suffering and so should have been prevented at all costs...

Putin simply wanted Ukraine to relinquish its plan to join NATO and guess what, Trump has already conceded that Ukraine is not going to join NATO.

3 years of pointless suffering, death and destruction... 🙄🤷

[N35t0r]

You're the contradiction by supporting the war in Ukraine and the untold death and suffering its caused, ultimately for the nothing that I've predicted countless times already. 👎

Shame on you. 😥

I happen to be a compassionate realist who realised that provoking Russia into attacking Ukraine was going to cause this pointless death and suffering and so should have been prevented at all costs...

Putin simply wanted Ukraine to relinquish its plan to join NATO and guess what, Trump has already conceded that Ukraine is not going to join NATO.

3 years of pointless suffering, death and destruction... 🙄🤷

You're blaming the girl about to be raped for having dressed so sluttily, and telling her she'd get hurt and suffer less if she just stopped resisting and let herself be raped.

Russia always has the opportunity to pack her things and get the hell out of Ukraine, immediately ending the war. All the death and destruction is 100% on Putin's shoulders.

[Lorizael]

I wonder if you would try to shield Thorn like this if she wasn't a member of a protected class fearing persecution for being a member of that protected class.​

You got me. My motivation is to keep the conversation centered on the primary concern articulated by our frightened, vulnerable OP. Dastardly.

[Geronimo]

You got me. My motivation is to keep the conversation centered on the primary concern articulated by our frightened, vulnerable OP. Dastardly.

well good luck with that. It looks like the "focus" keeps getting spread out. We'll see if anything actionable is ever articulated I guess. Maybe the asylum plan would be a good passport work around at least.

[Lorizael]

Thorn: My friend says that because passports are government property, it's always been a possibility they could be seized at the border, but he hasn't seen any reports that they are actually being confiscated. It's just a potential problem because of the current trans panic. So I think your best bet, unless you hear otherwise, is to operate under the assumption that this won't happen and you will be able to leave. Don't try to renew or modify your passport, because then it might just be disappeared.

[Aeson]

I'm sorry they are putting you through this **** Thorn.

Can you drive to Canada? You'll have to show your US passport at the border, but only to Canadian officials. Then you can fly from there to wherever. Just avoid any US territory (including Embassies).

Long term (before your current passport expires) you'd need to get citizenship somewhere else.

[Berzerker]

dont do anything