The US should declare war on Canada today...

[Dauphin]

Have you read his book? He starts with maximalist demands and then tries to make a deal knowing that the eventual compromise will be somewhat more in his favor BECAUSE he started out making maximalist demands. He got what he wanted and that is good for America just like with Colombia. It worked.

Tru-dump is refusing some very simple and easy comprises and as a result Canada will most likely suffer a recession. Tru-dump is refusing to compromise and that is on him. He could addr as legitimate concerns about illegal migration, drug trafficking, and closed economic sectors yet he refuses to do so because he is a slave to special interests. What would happen if banking is opened up to free trade? Canadians would get lower interest car loans and home mortgages at better terms? How terrible.

That is definitely worth risking 20% of th Canadian economy to prevent!

When you say "What would happen if banking is opened up to free trade?", can you clarify what you want to see change and what about the financial sector is not free trade.

I work in the Canadian banking sector, so I have my own views, but curious what you think the issue is and what exactly you would want to see change.

[N35t0r]

Have you read his book? He starts with maximalist demands and then tries to make a deal knowing that the eventual compromise will be somewhat more in his favor BECAUSE he started out making maximalist demands. He got what he wanted and that is good for America just like with Colombia. It worked.

Do you usually negotiate like that with your friends?


Also, this is a good negotiating technique when you can afford to stiff the cabinet maker, because for your next casino you'll just go and do the same to the next cabinet maker. There isn't another Canada, or another Mexico. They now know that the US is not a reliable partner or ally, and will take steps to that regard.

[Provost Harrison]

When you say "What would happen if banking is opened up to free trade?", can you clarify what you want to see change and what about the financial sector is not free trade.

I work in the Canadian banking sector, so I have my own views, but curious what you think the issue is and what exactly you would want to see change.

We've had to deal with poor Oerdin over on the Counterglow Discord channel. I don't think he's quite getting it.

I mean it's so ridiculous to call the Canadian PM Tru-dump when there are so many open goals available pertaining to black face :-D

If he were there in person I'd draw him a diagram. Why tariffs may have a certain validity against China, especially with their market dumping. But Canada...where there is no alternative for the products they supply so just results in the US paying more for the same stuff (at least until the US can sort out other sources of these things, which in the case of oil and constructing pipelines is longer than Trump's lifespan I suspect), and a lot more.

My only hope is that precipitates the 2nd republic in the US, their "unique form of capitalism" has spread and has been metastasising globally and a more rational model is needed.

And I sympathise with my US friends for what is to come, the coming whirlwind.

[Uncle Sparky]

Our satirical political party, the Rhino Party of Canada, uses the homophonic 'Trou d'eau', which means 'water hole'.

[Provost Harrison]

Do you usually negotiate like that with your friends?


Also, this is a good negotiating technique when you can afford to stiff the cabinet maker, because for your next casino you'll just go and do the same to the next cabinet maker. There isn't another Canada, or another Mexico. They now know that the US is not a reliable partner or ally, and will take steps to that regard.

Trump got what he wanted in the short term, but all these threats, pending tariffs, etc. have irrevocably changed the face of geopolitics forever. It's a slow set of events. Canada and Mexico will align away from the US over time. EU will stand its ground. UK...**** knows what we're doing, trying to hedge our bets or something but with the US leader being so volatile it has to be the EU? an EU looking forward to expand its trade opportunities with Canada, Mexico and Mercosur in a big way. Time to put Brexit behind us well and truly...everyone thinks it is one of the dumbest ideas in our history now anyway

[Provost Harrison]

Have you read his book? He starts with maximalist demands and then tries to make a deal knowing that the eventual compromise will be somewhat more in his favor BECAUSE he started out making maximalist demands. He got what he wanted and that is good for America just like with Colombia. It worked.

Tru-dump is refusing some very simple and easy comprises and as a result Canada will most likely suffer a recession. Tru-dump is refusing to compromise and that is on him. He could addr as legitimate concerns about illegal migration, drug trafficking, and closed economic sectors yet he refuses to do so because he is a slave to special interests. What would happen if banking is opened up to free trade? Canadians would get lower interest car loans and home mortgages at better terms? How terrible.

That is definitely worth risking 20% of th Canadian economy to prevent!

Negotiation is an art, as is preserving soft power. Concepts Trump has no concept of. It may seem like a victory in the short term because more cool heads such as Sheinbaum and Trudeau are trying to mitigate the worst impacts (although Sheinbaum should keep up the harsh line because I think Trump probably has a kink for it, and quite frankly, I find it a bit sexy too. Actually damn, she might be my new favourite MILF displacing Gillian Anderson, but, ahem, anyway). Can you not see the nascent new order forming excluding an unreliable US. Starmer was already in Brussels on Monday talking with other EU members and the NATO head. Does that not ring alarm bells in your head? That EU is expediting ratifying their trade agreement with Mercosur, that Canada is in seriousl negotiations for huge increases in trade cooperation with the EU...and in this I can see Mexico seeing what their Latin American neighbours and Canada are doing and doing likewise.

You extracted some concessions out of Mexico, but Mexico did likewise you know, regarding arms smuggling across the border and extracted concessions from Trump. Do you think the Mexican government want the drugs trade in their country? What makes you think they wouldn't value a greater commitment from you in combatting it? Also that US industry almost **** itself over Mexican tariffs and also stopped Trump from implementing it? Sheinbaum played you good, boy!

Oh sweet Oerdin, when will you learn...

[Geronimo]

Negotiation is an art, as is preserving soft power. Concepts Trump has no concept of. It may seem like a victory in the short term because more cool heads such as Sheinbaum and Trudeau are trying to mitigate the worst impacts (although Sheinbaum should keep up the harsh line because I think Trump probably has a kink for it, and quite frankly, I find it a bit sexy too. Actually damn, she might be my new favourite MILF displacing Gillian Anderson, but, ahem, anyway). Can you not see the nascent new order forming excluding an unreliable US. Starmer was already in Brussels on Monday talking with other EU members and the NATO head. Does that not ring alarm bells in your head? That EU is expediting ratifying their trade agreement with Mercosur, that Canada is in seriousl negotiations for huge increases in trade cooperation with the EU...and in this I can see Mexico seeing what their Latin American neighbours and Canada are doing and doing likewise.

You extracted some concessions out of Mexico, but Mexico did likewise you know, regarding arms smuggling across the border and extracted concessions from Trump. Do you think the Mexican government want the drugs trade in their country? What makes you think they wouldn't value a greater commitment from you in combatting it? Also that US industry almost **** itself over Mexican tariffs and also stopped Trump from implementing it? Sheinbaum played you good, boy!

Oh sweet Oerdin, when will you learn...

Yes soft power! getting others to want what you want! Trump absolutely does not seem to get it.

Over the decades I've seen plenty of assertions, such as by Andy Grove in 2010 that the US economic future was succumbing to policies that sacrificed large scale manufacturing in the interests of globalization and transforming into a "knowledge economy". Even before that I'd seen evidence of enormous industrial shifts driven overwhelmingly by globalization and unfair subsidies or protectionist barriers with poster children like the rapid conversion of US shipbuilding from first in the world by a large margin to a minor bit player in less than a decade or the permanent loss of the US automobile market to non domestic manufacturers.

But I've never seen anyone suggest that trashing US soft power would be a potential worthwhile sacrifice to address those concerns. In any case countries like Ireland or the Netherlands have even managed to rank quite high on indices of economic globalization and still done quite well on growth of manufacturing further suggesting winning formulas don't need to abandon globalization.

[giblets]

Trump is secretly a Maoist working to destroy the AmeriKKKan empire from the inside.

[Dauphin]

But I've never seen anyone suggest that trashing US soft power would be a potential worthwhile sacrifice to address those concerns. In any case countries like Ireland or the Netherlands have even managed to rank quite high on indices of economic globalization and still done quite well on growth of manufacturing further suggesting winning formulas don't need to abandon globalization.

Double Irish and Dutch Sandwich type arrangements make those stats questionable.

[Geronimo]

Double Irish and Dutch Sandwich type arrangements make those stats questionable.

can you tell us more?

[Dauphin]

can you tell us more?

https://www.centralbank.ie/docs/default-source/publications/economic-letters/vol-2021-no-1-is-ireland-really-the-most-prosperous-country-in-europe.pdf

The topics discussed in the link are colloquially called Double Irish, with the Dutch Sandwich being the equivalent. Double Dutch was already taken.

[Dauphin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich

[The Mad Monk]

I think it would be great fun to cut all electric exports to the US this Sunday afternoon... just for a few hours... tee hee

...and I would not blame you one bit.

[BeBMan]

Trump is secretly a Maoist working to destroy the AmeriKKKan empire from the inside.

Makes sense, if he annoys lotsa countries they may move easier into the Chinese orbit, esp. the poorer of them, as China is willing to spend stuff for influence gains. Not unheard of in regard to countries other than China, but they certainly make use of this prominently, Belt&Road etc

[Provost Harrison]

Trump is secretly a Maoist working to destroy the AmeriKKKan empire from the inside.

I think in their refinement of weaponising social media as a means of propaganda and control I think it has turned into an epic own goal. And it's a lit firework that hasn't gone off and everyone is wondering where it is going to go. Shame the only desirable conclusion for everyone else is that it implodes but either way, nothing good can come of it. It's like fascism has dawned but in a frenzied and ridiculous way that makes no sense. And all I hear are the sounds of appeasement which never goes well.

[MOBIUS]

You know things are bad when Oerdin is a willing foot soldier