Will Trump be found innocent or quilty? Not what you wish but for real.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/3GaUK6QsBmk

here's a judge's look at the Georgia indictments

basically Trump and Giuliani tried to convince the Georgia legislature to replace the electors with Trump's people and employed fraud. The dozen plus people indicted includes 4 of the 16 electors (Georgia has 16), they're up on perjury charges for lying to the govt (hows that for irony, the govt lies to us all the time). The remaining 12 got deals for their testimony.

Napalitano didn't really delve into the strength of the case but he will

[Ming]

The biggest lying president of all time is the one on trial

[Berzerker]

C'mon man...here's the deal, trust me...50 intel experts all said the laptop was Russian disinformation

[Ming]

What does that have to do with all the lies Trump told?
And he keeps telling them.
His own actions have led him down the path he must now face.
He could have given the documents back when asked...
He could have not tried to hide the hush money...
He could have accepted his lose and not continued to lie about it, and ordering people to Washington to stop the steal
He didn't have to set up fake electors in an attempt to overthrow the LEGAL GOVERNMENT
He didn't have to lean on Georgia official in an attempt to illegally change OFFICIAL results in the state.

IF he gets convicted of anything, he has only one person to blame. HIMSELF for being stupid.

[PLATO]

I think the hush money is irrelevant and I highly doubt he is the first President to pay hush money. That is an issue simply because of everything else. The rest of it? An example must be set and Trump must do time.

[Dauphin]

I think the hush money case is relevant as it shows he doesn't care about falsifying business records. He could have just paid the money, but he laundered the payments. Sets a pattern of behaviour for the tax evasion cases that surprisingly have not been filed against him personally, just his companies.....

[PLATO]

I imagine that most politicians that pay hush money will attempt to lauder it through attorneys. Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is guilty. I just believe that the hush money, taken by itself, is so minor that it would be a category B news item and quickly be forgotten in the cycle. To me it is only relevant in the sense that it shows an overall mindset to being unlawful. This is a case of "Bigger fish to fry" and is nothing but a distraction from extremely serious crimes. That is why I believe it is overall irrelevant

[Berzerker]

What does that have to do with all the lies Trump told?
And he keeps telling them.
His own actions have led him down the path he must now face.
He could have given the documents back when asked...
He could have not tried to hide the hush money...
He could have accepted his lose and not continued to lie about it, and ordering people to Washington to stop the steal
He didn't have to set up fake electors in an attempt to overthrow the LEGAL GOVERNMENT
He didn't have to lean on Georgia official in an attempt to illegally change OFFICIAL results in the state.

IF he gets convicted of anything, he has only one person to blame. HIMSELF for being stupid.

I think Biden lies more and his lies are much more consequential, but they're both liars - proven liars. Trump's actions have nothing to do with this, the establishment wants him gone because he's not a neocon and if he gets back in he will end their war in Ukraine. Having the documents is illegal and it looks like Democrats are guilty too, at least Trump was president. Who cares about hush money? Trump's infidelity was never in doubt. Democrats have been claiming for years Putin and Trump stole the election and yes the Democrats stole the 2020 election, they had over 500 riots in the streets while conspiring with the state to censor opponents and protect Democrats. He thinks the machines/ballots were rigged, okay. I wouldn't be surprised given what the deep state did to help Biden win. From what little I know about Georgia the fake electors were chosen if the state legislature tossed the result and he asked the official to investigate the election to find missing votes.

[Ming]

I never said Biden doesn't lie.
However, Trump makes a habit of it... and is still lying about the election.
And as far as the documents go, he's totally different than everybody else. He was asked many time to return them. He lied about having more after turning some over.
He went out of his way to keep them. He broke the law to keep them. Everybody else said they were sorry and turned them over and even allowed searches.
And as already been said, it' not that he paid the hush money, it's how he did it.
And I love how you make it sound like the Democrats orchestrated​ over 500 riots. They didn't. Black people who were sick of cops killing black people were behind the riots. They weren't organized by a political party, but by a minority that had enough, regardless of what party they supported.
And yet again... multiple recounts, audits (many of which were done by Repubs) came up with absolutely NOTHING. And most of the small cases that were found favored the Republicans.
But feel free to blame everything on some mythical "deep state". Come up with some actual proof to support your arguments.
The cases against Trump are based on real evidence. From his business dealings to his attempts of treason against the American Constitution, and his attempts to illegally keep documents that weren't his to keep. Trump thinks he is above the law and can do whatever he wants. Well, it's time he is held accountable for his actions.

And if actual evidence comes up against Biden... fine, I hope he goes down too. It looks like Hunter will, which is fine by me. But if he goes down, so should Trump Jr. His multi billion deal with the Saudis is just as bad. Trump and his family have made tons of money from the Saudi's. Hell, even Trump himself made tons of money off Russia and China, but I don't hear you talking about them.

And I love how you claim it's OK for Trump to "ask" to investigate to find missing votes... THREE AUDITS/RECOUNTS. NOTHING FOUND. But there he is ON TAPE asking them to find "missing" votes. Listen to the tape again...

[PLATO]

The first time through the tape I thought there might be some plausible deniability, but when taken in context it is clear what the motive is. Cudos to the Georgia republican Party for not playing ball.

[Ming]

Yeah... nothing worse than your OWN PARTY going after you because you are doing illegal things.

[Jon Miller]

I think Georgia Republicans feel that they can do better without Trump than with him.

Throughout most of the country, I think this is true, but the Republican Party in many states haven't realized it yet.

JM

[-Jrabbit]

Well, Trump did cost them both Senate seats.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/7BTEGhfI9mU

some highlights

Jan 6 cops on video describing how to recognise undercover govt assets
cop walking around saying they were set up
acting chief who refused to evacuate capital given nice job at UC Berkeley across the bay from Nancy's district

[Ming]

More theories and opinions... no facts.
Yeah... they were set up... BY TRUMP.
If Trump hadn't called his following to Washington, lied to them and then sent them to the Capital, none of this would have happened.
Plain and simple.
But keep trying to change reality and blaming it all on somebody else.
The real FACTS speak for themselves.

[Berzerker]

one more highlight, a cop explaining how they dress up like Antifa

course we know the govt plants people in mobs and riots I assume to gather evidence of crimes (if not enforce laws) but their presence adds weight to the protest encouraging rioters even if the cops dont do anything but watch. The relevant question is what these assets are doing to further encourage riots. When govt assets are trying to fit in do they raise their fists and shout? I think thats entrapment.

[Ming]

Trump was the reason and the cause. It's that simple.
Your attempts at misdirection and trying to lay blame elsewhere are simply not supported by ANY FACTS.
The Maga crowd didn't need ANY HELP in looking bad. Trump brought them to Washington, lied to them, and then sent them to do his dirty work.
Those are the facts in evidence. Everything else is just a smoke screen in an attempt to lay blame on somebody else.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/8tW7GMm4wrE

​​​​​

11 min in Glenn Greenwald caught Dan Goldman (D-NY) lying about testimony he got from Devon Archer.

Goldman is arguing Archer testified Burisma had the prosecutor Shokin under control and therefore Joe Biden firing Shokin hurt Burisma. Now Goldman ignored that Shokin's replacement settled up with Burisma and the owner returned from exile. But anyway, the transcript of Archer's testimony doesn't say what Goldman is claiming. What Archer actually said is Washington's narrative was Burisma controlled Shokin, not that Burisma said they controlled Shokin. So who said Burisma controlled Shokin and when?

Democrats were faced with candidate Joe Biden and they knew it was time to start covering up his crimes under Obama. Ukraine and Burisma were eyesores given how Obama put Joe in charge of the country (democracy anyone lol). During the 1st impeachment 1-2 high up diplomats (Pyatt?) involved with Ukraine said at the time Hunter's job looked bad (impeach them!).

So what would be Joe's cover story? Burisma liked Shokin. Biden fired the corrupt prosecutor they controlled and replaced him with a gung ho law and order anti-corruption hero of the people intent on bringing justice to that bad old Burisma (Democrats actually believe this)? So a bunch of people on Burisma's payroll, from Biden to the Atlantic Council (Nato's 'think tank') and Ukrainian 'reformers' started smearing Shokin as corrupt - because Burisma controlled Shokin Strange, no? All these people getting $$$ from Burisma started accusing a prosecutor of corruption at the same time, but these same people want us to believe Burisma supported Shokin and wanted him to keep his job.

I want to know which US politicians, bureaucrats, and Wall St fatcats are getting kickbacks from the money the taxpayers have poured down the Ukrainian drain.

[Ming]

Trump continues to be indicted for his crimes where there is actual evidence.