Politics Thread

[pchang]

NCI collects data from many doctors. They disagree with Berz’s doctor. The conspiracy here is that vaccines are bad and that the establishment is trying to hide this from the public. Vaccines are actually one of the best forms of medicine we have ever invented.

[Ming]

Yeah yeah yeah... your expert can say whatever he wants and you will back him because it supports your anti vax stance.
I will say it one more time so maybe you will understand it. He is stating an opinion based on very limited data and no clinical data to back it up. Whether it's true or not can not be based on his LIMITED data. And that's what my doctor is saying. That NOBODY AT THIS TIME can make a claim either way because there is NO SOLID DATA available. My doctor says it's BS for him trying to make a claim that can not be supported by clinical data. CLINICAL DATA IS NOT IRRELEVANT... it's reality. Unlike somebody seeing a limited trend on a limited basis and trying to make claims based on insufficient data. There is a real fear that opinions that are presented as fact could cause serious damage.
If your "expert" is so serious about his claims, he should go out and do the clinical trials needed to actually prove it, and then make his claims. instead of just stating an opinion not supported by real facts except for the limited patients he has seen. And yes, my doctor says that is what is BS about it.
But feel free to keep touting your expert as the only expert that is allowed to have an OPINION. Because that's all it is at the moment, no matter how much you want to push it in support of your anti vax propaganda.

[Berzerker]

Well Berz... NEITHER CANCER SPECIALIST DOCTORS have seen EVERY Patient. FACT.
And that's why I say that NEITHER Doctor can make ANY CLAIMS with out all the data.
You seem to be claiming that your expert's claims are better than anybody else's claims... and that is total BS since there is no Clinical data to support ANY CLAIM AT THIS POINT.
And you continue to support Anti Vax Propaganda anyway, even when the facts DON'T SUPPORT IT.

But keep trying to claim that your expert is the only expert that can have an OPINION.

What was his claim? He has seen a higher relapse rate in fully boosted patients. How can your doctor call that BS without seeing his data? That would be required reading, nothing else matters. And BS means untrue... The absence of clinical data is irrelevant.

[Berzerker]

In no way shape or form does encountering an antigen constitute a "beat down" of the immune system berz. Unless maybe in the sense that eating food is a beat down of the digestive system or breathing air is a beat down of the lungs. And covid boosters aren't even the kind of antigens that can fight back. It's definitely not a beat down of the immune system in the way that thinking is a beat down of Berz's brain.

link to the study berz then we can discuss.

Then people wouldn't get sick when encountering antigens, but now you're comparing an apple to the varied side effects of the vaccine? Fighting back would better train the immune system for future encounters, but the boosters provoke a response. The immune system still has to ramp up the 'needed' defenses and that might weaken or distract the defenses keeping cancer at bay. How many shots a year is safe, and if you have an answer, why would more shots be unsafe? Would damage to the immune system from repeated boosters be a consideration?

[Ming]

Well Berz... NEITHER CANCER SPECIALIST DOCTORS have seen EVERY Patient. FACT.
And that's why I say that NEITHER Doctor can make ANY CLAIMS with out all the data.
You seem to be claiming that your expert's claims are better than anybody else's claims... and that is total BS since there is no Clinical data to support ANY CLAIM AT THIS POINT.
And you continue to support Anti Vax Propaganda anyway, even when the facts DON'T SUPPORT IT.

But keep trying to claim that your expert is the only expert that can have an OPINION.

[Geronimo]

Where is the conspiracy with a melanoma specialist reporting a higher relapse rate among boostered patients? Seems logical that T Cells keeping cancer in check are not helped by repeated boosters every 6-12 months. The risk might make sense if Covid was severe enough but its becoming weaker and more people already got it or the vax or both.

What do you think of the recent CDC data showing boostered people were more susceptible to covid infection? I dont know if they accounted for the 'fact' older sicker people are also more likely fully boostered but might that suggest support for the Melanoma doctor's theory repeated beat downs of the immune system is actually making people more vulnerable? I remember in '22 people arguing against too many shots to avoid 'fatigue'. The boosters never did live up to the original shots, fading faster and faster. At one point some guy high up in the WH recommended 6 shots a year.

In no way shape or form does encountering an antigen constitute a "beat down" of the immune system berz. Unless maybe in the sense that eating food is a beat down of the digestive system or breathing air is a beat down of the lungs. And covid boosters aren't even the kind of antigens that can fight back. It's definitely not a beat down of the immune system in the way that thinking is a beat down of Berz's brain.

link to the study berz then we can discuss.

[Berzerker]

So you're not gonna quote me... Fact: a melanoma specialist is reporting a higher relapse rate for fully boosted patients... And he explains the suspected mechanism, repeated assaults on the immune system hindering T Cell defenses. Your doctor says thats BS because he hasn't seen that in his patients. But your doctor is not looking at his patients, so by that token can the Melanoma specialist call your doctor's claim BS? Now if this Melanoma specialist needs to see every other doctor's data before making his observation, doesn't your doctor need to see his data first?

Did you get covid already?

[Ming]

My doctor was saying that in his patients, that was not the case. And that there was no clinical data to support one vs the other, so making a claim that it is the case is total BS.
The difference here is that I'm not hanging my hat on it or claiming it's the case. The only FACTS are what a doctor sees with his patients, and there is no clinical data. One doctor sees one thing and another sees something else. It's not BIG NEWS...
To your point, your EXPERT doesn't have data from EVERY OTHER DOCTOR EITHER.
It's all just opinion.
But please continue to sprout your anti vax stuff. Even if it isn't true.

[Berzerker]

Gym Jordan has been nominated to be speaker

[Berzerker]

What's sad is that Dalgleish seems pretty well intentioned and well informed, originally publishing a letter in a medical journal suggesting that study and discussion is called for. He even notes that his database is essentially about 4 friends and colleagues who are vaccinated and have cancer. That was around 11/22.

People like Campbell and Dore seem to just instinctively turn that into more Fauci-is-evil style BS. And those charlatans are the same people who get amplified in places like Berz World.

This aint got nothing to do with Fauci... but he did unleash a plague on the world killing millions, so... there is that

Wasn't he Reagan's AIDS Czar? I dont know who played him in The Dallas Buyer's Club but people were calling him evil back then too.

[Berzerker]

For some reason, Berz finds conspiracy theories more comforting than reality. This is the part that is really confounding.

Where is the conspiracy with a melanoma specialist reporting a higher relapse rate among boostered patients? Seems logical that T Cells keeping cancer in check are not helped by repeated boosters every 6-12 months. The risk might make sense if Covid was severe enough but its becoming weaker and more people already got it or the vax or both.

What do you think of the recent CDC data showing boostered people were more susceptible to covid infection? I dont know if they accounted for the 'fact' older sicker people are also more likely fully boostered but might that suggest support for the Melanoma doctor's theory repeated beat downs of the immune system is actually making people more vulnerable? I remember in '22 people arguing against too many shots to avoid 'fatigue'. The boosters never did live up to the original shots, fading faster and faster. At one point some guy high up in the WH recommended 6 shots a year.

[Berzerker]

You posted it like it was a fact. Good to see you finally admit it isn't. And my Doctor was claiming that NO DOCTOR can make those claims either way because there is NO REAL CLINICAL DATA yet. And if you are basing it on a small sample size that doesn't take into affect all factors involved, then his claims that his patients have shown no such thing is just as valid. But in the end, it's all just opinion on all sides and he had every right to call it BS.
And you are going to have to come up with a real unbiased study that shows roughly half of Democrats believe that BS. They didn't.
And again, Dems weren't drinking bleach or shining lights up their asses. So your comment that the QAnon was better informed just shows your bias and how much you keep pulling crap out of your ass... just like most of the BS videos you seem to claim are true simply because they are on the internet.

You're not quoting me. This conversation is bringing back memories of you asking Kid to quote you, but you're playing the Kid. What claims did the Melanoma specialist make? The only "fact" I posted was to report what he said about relapsing patients. Did you ask your doctor specifically about his data? Neither I nor the doctor claimed there was clinical data or studies or anything, just his observation that fully boostered patients were relapsing at a higher rate than other patients. Your doctor can call it BS but I'd like to know how he is up to date on the other doctor's patients. If all your doctor said was its BS because there are no studies then ask him how and why studies are performed if not for doctors noticing things like differences in relapse rates. QAnon wasn't drinking bleach or shining lights up their asses... Democrats were by far the most misinformed on the risk of hospitalization from covid.

[Berzerker]

Looks like Hakeem would rather get rid of the rule before he becomes speaker

that clown show is called democracy and the speaker lost thanks overwhelmingly to Democrats... Now they're acting like the rule they just used to oust McCarthy needs to follow him out the door. Harumph... HARUMPH!

I didn't get a harumph out of that guy

[Berzerker]

GOP led states are older and more obese with higher rates of comorbidities and your stats probably dont include the costs incurred by lockdowns, many of which wont be known for years. Has there been any study showing the breakdown by party affiliation?

[-Jrabbit]

No one is saying to ignore relapse rates. It is clearly worthy of study.
No one is trying to bury this idea. They just want it proven. By science, not by anecdote.