Prediction Thread: When Will Russians Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

We backed ISIS with weapons, AQ was on our side in Syria. A time lapse of ISIS expansion shows they were getting our weapons and the "moderate rebels" served only as an entry point for weapons from Turkey. How do you explain that? The moderate rebels getting our weapons just sat there in NW Syria along the Turkish border while ISIS took half the country.

ISIS lost fast far more fighters to US military operations and US supported Kurdish operations than to all of its other enemies combined. Everybody in the US government was continually vigilant that not one red cent of US taxpayers should ever find its way to AQ.

Time lapse expansions show the Russians and Syrian government avoided fighting ISIS or even operating in ISIS claimed territory while the US and it's close allies were the only ones fighting them and even constantly fighting them.
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I dont want my country backing either Azov or Wagner, I want the Donbas free from both Kiev and Moscow and hopefully they can vote on their future instead of being chewed up by a western proxy war. Azov started the war, they attacked people protesting the coup that toppled the man they elected and they had our blessing and help. Telling me little green men instigated the separatist movement in the east doesn't matter, the people of the region did not support the coup. Most wanted more autonomy or outright independence.

The civilians living in the Donbas wanted Azov to battle the Moscow funded separatists and defeat them. Luckily through crowd funding Americans were able to arm Azov. Arm Azov so it could counter Wagner (which we now know originated in an FSB operation to defeat the Ukrainians living in the Donbas) and it's Moscow imported Separatist operations literally occupying and taking over the communities their civilian Donbas victims had been born into.

Moscow started the war. They don't even bother hiding it anymore.

​​​​​​The people in the Donbas voted for Zelensky. They never voted for Putin.

[Geronimo]

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[Berzerker]

ISIS lost fast far more fighters to US military operations and US supported Kurdish operations than to all of its other enemies combined. Everybody in the US government was continually vigilant that not one red cent of US taxpayers should ever find its way to AQ.

Time lapse expansions show the Russians and Syrian government avoided fighting ISIS or even operating in ISIS claimed territory while the US and it's close allies were the only ones fighting them and even constantly fighting them.
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The civilians living in the Donbas wanted Azov to battle the Moscow funded separatists and defeat them. Luckily through crowd funding Americans were able to arm Azov. Arm Azov so it could counter Wagner (which we now know originated in an FSB operation to defeat the Ukrainians living in the Donbas) and it's Moscow imported Separatist operations literally occupying and taking over the communities their civilian Donbas victims had been born into.

Moscow started the war. They don't even bother hiding it anymore.

​​​​​​The people in the Donbas voted for Zelensky. They never voted for Putin.​

What does "Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria" mean? It means dont attack AQ on our side in Syria, help them instead. If you see some other interpretation, what would be consistent with AQ's success and the non-existent effort of our moderate rebels? Yes, we've been killing ISIS in support of the Kurds. We dont want ISIS or Syria controlling the food and oil resources in NE Syria. We wanted ISIS to create havoc to pressure regime change and they likely would have succeeded if not for Trump ending the policy of arming the 'moderate rebels' and letting Putin help Assad. I dont know where you got the idea Putin and Assad avoided ISIS, they were avoiding us. We had our war on ISIS in eastern Syria and western Iraq while Putin and Assad had their war on ISIS in the west. But under Obama we were backing ISIS in the west and didn't want Russia interfering.

I dont think many people in the Donbas supported the coup much less welcomed Azov. Judging by the referendum on Minsk a small majority wanted to stay in Ukraine but free from Azov and a third wanted independence. How many voters in the Donbas supported efforts to ban the Russian language? They didn't want their language and culture 'cleansed' from society. Moscow didn't send troops in for several months after Azov attacked the east and the people there didn't turn around and fire at the Russians. Something about actions speak louder than words comes to mind.

Are you sure the people of the Donbas got to vote? I thought the war has prevented millions from voting. But Zelensky did get about 3/4s of those who did vote and he ran on ending the war. I think the Donbas would welcome that. So who didn't? Azov and the USA. Putin may have moved nukes into Belarus as a bargaining chip during peace talks, like how the USSR put missiles in Cuba to counter ours in Turkey - both got removed.

[Berzerker]

while I await approval of my edit

https://youtu.be/Ddc1ix_9MII

Max Blumenthal's recent speech before the UN

[BeBMan]

Play detective... follow the bread crumbs

Feb '22 Russia invades
Mar '22 peace talks begin
Mar '22 progress is made
Mar '22 Russia withdraws from Kiev
Apr '22 Boris arrives to kill peace

now Putin waves a document claiming they had a deal... I'm sure western media is anxious to get a copy of it

Makes more sense than Putin retreating from Kiev because of a counter attack. Wag the Dog.

Nothing you posted since Feb 2022 makes sense.

[N35t0r]

80 years ago Finland allied with the Nazis against Russia

106 years ago, Finland declared independence and it was quickly recognized by the USSR, Germany, Sweden, and other countries.

84 years ago, the Nazis and the Russians signed an alliance where the Baltic states and Finland were allocated to the Soviet sphere of influence. The Baltic states were quickly annexed, which was followed by several years of oppression and purges. Finland rejected annexation attempts and were able to repulse the Soviet troops initially. No matter how lopsided the losses, the Soviet forces started making gains 83 years ago and the Finns managed to sign a peace treaty in exchange of almost 10% of it's territory.

83 years ago, Finland needed to rebuild it's army, (they saw what was happening in the Baltic states and wanted nothing to do with that) but Britain and the US didn't want nothing to do, so they turned to the only nation willing to arm them, Nazi Germany.

82 years ago, when Nazi Germany invaded Russia, they demanded Finland join, and the Finnish government, eager to get the lost territory back, did so.

80 years ago, the Finnish managed to stall the Soviet offensive and inflict greater than 5:1 losses, and convinced the USSR to negotiate for peace. This let the democratic pre-work Finnish government to remain, the only one among nations in eastern and central Europe annexed/'liberated' by the Russians.

[Berzerker]

thats nice... but 80 years ago the Finns were allied with the Nazis and now we are

[N35t0r]

Yeah, it'd be really nice if the world was that simple.

[Geronimo]

What does "Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria" mean? It means dont attack AQ on our side in Syria, help them instead. If you see some other interpretation, what would be consistent with AQ's success and the non-existent effort of our moderate rebels? Yes, we've been killing ISIS in support of the Kurds. We dont want ISIS or Syria controlling the food and oil resources in NE Syria. We wanted ISIS to create havoc to pressure regime change and they likely would have succeeded if not for Trump ending the policy of arming the 'moderate rebels' and letting Putin help Assad. I dont know where you got the idea Putin and Assad avoided ISIS, they were avoiding us. We had our war on ISIS in eastern Syria and western Iraq while Putin and Assad had their war on ISIS in the west. But under Obama we were backing ISIS in the west and didn't want Russia interfering.

It turns out that "Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria" means "Let's attack them continually, using every resource at our disposal, while they (nominally) oppose Assad." The US continually waged war against ISIS and ISIS continually waged war against the US and its allies.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/07/14/486005012/u-s-russia-working-on-a-plan-to-coordinate-bombing-in-syria

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763545811/how-the-u-s-hacked-isis

Russia and Assad continually avoided ISIS and continually attacked US allies. "moderate" rebels didn't exist because Assad and Putin feared them most and continually attacked them and avoided ISIS. Until April 2017 Russia and Assad contributed almost no attrition of ISIS forces and only occupied ISIS territory after others ejected ISIS from it first.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN0SK0QR20151026

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obamas-syria-plan-teams-up-american-and-russian-forces/2016/07/13/8d7777cc-4935-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/23/isil-defeated-in-final-syria-victory-sdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZuyDVz4JMQ

When was there ever any sign of truce between the US and ISIS? It looks like there was a large truce between Assad/Putin and ISIS from 2014 to mid 2017.

I dont think many people in the Donbas supported the coup much less welcomed Azov. Judging by the referendum on Minsk a small majority wanted to stay in Ukraine but free from Azov and a third wanted independence. How many voters in the Donbas supported efforts to ban the Russian language? They didn't want their language and culture 'cleansed' from society. Moscow didn't send troops in for several months after Azov attacked the east and the people there didn't turn around and fire at the Russians. Something about actions speak louder than words comes to mind.

Are you sure the people of the Donbas got to vote? I thought the war has prevented millions from voting. But Zelensky did get about 3/4s of those who did vote and he ran on ending the war. I think the Donbas would welcome that. So who didn't? Azov and the USA. Putin may have moved nukes into Belarus as a bargaining chip during peace talks, like how the USSR put missiles in Cuba to counter ours in Turkey - both got removed.

A. the "coup" didn't exist so support or lack of support for it was irrelevant.

B. you label the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych as a "coup" because you claim that the unanimous vote to remove him from power was not possible without sniper attacks. Oddly, nobody in the Donbas was on record as calling it a "coup" not even the protestors who were a tiny fraction of the population, until after the little green men show up and seize power from the locals. But none of that matters. The subsequent governments were elected in their own right.

​C. Zelensky is leading Ukraine against Putin. Putin launched by far his largest campaign ever against Zelensky's Ukraine, not against the Poroshenko government. How curious that the government of Ukraine led by the natively Russian speaking Jew was the one Putin chose to most strongly oppose.

D. Zelensky didn't just run on ending the war, he managed to arrange the only meetings with Putin. Putin wouldn't let him end the war. The armed separatists in the Donbas had a mechanism in place as part of Minsk I and Minsk II to disarm. The separatists did nothing of the sort, even during the longest stretches of cease fire. Putin wouldn't let them disarm. Putin continued to ship in more weapons during all cease fires. By way of thanks for Zelensky's diligent pursuit of peace, Putin massively invaded Zelensky's Urkaine from all Russian borders and even from non Russian Belorussian borders with Ukraine.

[Serb]

Putin didn't deal with anything ... it was Lukachenko who saved Putins ass (by successfully negotiating with Prigoshin) ... else Wagner soldiers would now patrol on the Red Square

Putin did such an abysmal/weak showing in this situation, that everyone around him now knows how vulnerable Putin is

I thank God for giving us a word - "IDIOT"!!!

[Serb]

Real countries don't have mutinies. Real leaders derive their power from the people and serve the best interests of their people. Russia is truly a kleptocracy.

BLM?

The riots in France right now?


IDIOT!!!

[Serb]

So Prigo got what he wanted and you think Putin put down the mutiny?

If you mean by "what he wanted" to go to an exile and become a traitor for the Russian people forever - keep fapping and living in your fantasy world.
Putin didn't put down the munity, it were Martians who did it for him.

What kind of hopless brainless and brainwashed imbeciles are you, Westerners?

[EPW]

He's not fighting a hopeless battle in Ukraine now. He's not under Putin's thumb anymore. He has a military base in Belarus with all his men and equipment. Things seem pretty good for him.

[Serb]

Nice try? Addressed to the poly OT crowd? Serb do you really believe anyone other than Russians were involved?

The Poly OT crowd was so hardly creaming their pants, as well of the West.
Then - bang!
It is over within 24 hours.

That was so fkn PATHETIC!

You have shown your true NAZI nature. By "YOU" I mean your whole West and Poly OT as a reflection of it.

[Serb]

You just hate us to the grave and want us dead!

[Serb]

Fine!

[Serb]

Who told you we will not kill you instead, idiots?