Prediction Thread: When Will Russians Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

And leaving Russian heavy equipment was agreed as well?

What 'evidence' is there that Russia withdrew to comply with treaty obligations?

Look at what we left behind in Afghanistan... The evidence was posted, Russia advanced on Kiev, talks were ongoing during March, progress was reported and Russia left Kiev. If they didn't have a deal why did Boris show up?

[Berzerker]

Maybe it's possible that Russia "offered" Ukraine a deal where Russia got to keep half the country. But, there is no way they offered anything that would have been acceptable to Ukraine.
This "they had a deal" fantasy is just that. Something made up by the Russia lovers and Ukraine haters.
The facts here are simple. Russia is getting their asses handed to them. It's been far longer than a year, and their "quick" military action has failed.
It has cost way too many lives on both sides, including Russian attacking, raping and killing the people that Russia claimed to be helping.
The only person responsible for this war is Putin. But I love how Berz wants to talk about a supposed deep state, Nazi's, the industrial military complex and other BS reasons for the war.
It's really very simple, a land grab by Putin. And it has failed.

I imagine the deal they offered was similar to Minsk, maybe with even greater autonomy for the Donbas. I dont love or hate either of them, I dont want to use the people there as pawns in a neocon strategic game of chess. There's something to be learned by looking at one's allies and our backing of Azov and ISIS is educating the world about us and making China very popular. Apparently Russia did offer a deal Ukraine found acceptable, Brandon rejected it. I dont think Trump would have done that, course Putin wouldn't have invaded if Trump was still prez.

[Geronimo]

Look at what we left behind in Afghanistan... The evidence was posted, Russia advanced on Kiev, talks were ongoing during March, progress was reported and Russia left Kiev. If they didn't have a deal why did Boris show up?

Maybe the Russians left and Boris visited because they didn't have a deal?

[Berzerker]

Also why would a treaty require withdrawal from Kiyv but not a stop to bombing of civilian targets, machine gunning of refugee convoys, and other war crimes in general?

Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YbFoS8VIf8

https://youtu.be/mJhJ6hks0Jg

Your source is uninformed, the BBC interviewed one of the Maidan snipers. As for what happened in late March after they had a deal, looks like retreating from Kiev was part of it. I dont know what other efforts at de-escalation followed, I imagine if Putin withdrew from Kiev then he probably told his commanders to de-escalate elsewhere unless they're attacked. I dont know how well Zelensky did at getting his troops to stop attacking though, Azov is fanatical and they've been wanting this war.

[Berzerker]

Maybe the Russians left and Boris visited because they didn't have a deal?

Then why did they leave and why was it reported Boris showed up to oppose a deal?

[Berzerker]

In short there was no such deal mutually agreed between Ukraine and Russia, and so far it looks Berz' sources just pulled it out of their collective arses, unless he can provide sufficient evidence that a binding agreement over the Russian retreat from Kyiv has been reached or even just seriously been negotiated for.

Play detective... follow the bread crumbs

Feb '22 Russia invades
Mar '22 peace talks begin
Mar '22 progress is made
Mar '22 Russia withdraws from Kiev
Apr '22 Boris arrives to kill peace

now Putin waves a document claiming they had a deal... I'm sure western media is anxious to get a copy of it

Makes more sense than Putin retreating from Kiev because of a counter attack. Wag the Dog.

[Berzerker]

1. Finland joined NATO

Finland wasn't waging an 8 year proxy war on ethnic Russians living along the border

[pchang]

So, you are saying that Finland joining NATO was good for Russia?

[Berzerker]

No, I'm saying a Nato backed proxy war in eastern Ukraine is a more pressing matter than Finland.

[Thoth]

*Russian back proxy war

[PLATO]

Then why did they leave and why was it reported Boris showed up to oppose a deal?

I think this one should be pretty obvious.

Why did they leave? They had plans to just roll into Kyiv and march in their dress uniforms to adoring Ukrainians. 'Cept, Ukraine destroyed a large amount of the force attacking. This force had no reliable logistical support (Remember vehicles running out of gas?). There choices were to be destroyed in place or leave...they left.

Why did Boris show up and oppose a deal? British intelligence was quick to pick up on the fundamental weakness of the Russian forces. He probably told Ukraine that they didn't need to give up half their country...they could take back what was theirs. He probably promised that Britain would support the fight for as long as it took to get their land back. He probably had a promise with him from The Big Guy to do the same. As a matter of a fact, it was probably a huge amount of support from the west to put a stop to an extremely evil dictators delusions of grandeur.

The only real question here, is why would anybody believe the tripe your spouting when ALL the evidence shows this was just naked Russian aggression.

[PLATO]

Finland wasn't waging an 8 year proxy war on ethnic Russians living along the border

No, Russia was waging an 80 year war to "keep Finland in its place" while doing it from land they stole from Finland. I guess they must have taken that land to defend the poor Russians living there.

[PLATO]

Play detective... follow the bread crumbs

Feb '22 Russia invades
Mar '22 peace talks begin
Mar '22 Russia seems to be making gains toward the Capital
Mar '22 progress is made
Mar '22 Russia's push toward Kyiv meets heavy resistance, takes heavy losses, can't maintain logistics
Mar '22 Russia withdraws from Kiev
Apr '22 Boris arrives to give Ukraine an alternative to de facto surrender to thugs, murderers, and rapist

now Putin waves a document, falsely claiming they had a deal...One he has carefully doctored to turn into propoganda. I'm sure western media is anxious to get a copy of it so it can be exposed for the sham it is.

Makes more sense than Putin retreating from Kiev because of him being a nice guy.

Filled in the blanks and fixed a few "inaccuracies"

[Geronimo]

I imagine the deal they offered was similar to Minsk, maybe with even greater autonomy for the Donbas. I dont love or hate either of them, I dont want to use the people there as pawns in a neocon strategic game of chess. There's something to be learned by looking at one's allies and our backing of Azov and ISIS is educating the world about us and making China very popular. Apparently Russia did offer a deal Ukraine found acceptable, Brandon rejected it. I dont think Trump would have done that, course Putin wouldn't have invaded if Trump was still prez.

Bullcrap. Who "backed" ISIS? How did they "back" them?

Why is backing Azov a damning act? Is backing Wagner a damning act?

[Berzerker]

I think this one should be pretty obvious.

Why did they leave? They had plans to just roll into Kyiv and march in their dress uniforms to adoring Ukrainians. 'Cept, Ukraine destroyed a large amount of the force attacking. This force had no reliable logistical support (Remember vehicles running out of gas?). There choices were to be destroyed in place or leave...they left.

Why did Boris show up and oppose a deal? British intelligence was quick to pick up on the fundamental weakness of the Russian forces. He probably told Ukraine that they didn't need to give up half their country...they could take back what was theirs. He probably promised that Britain would support the fight for as long as it took to get their land back. He probably had a promise with him from The Big Guy to do the same. As a matter of a fact, it was probably a huge amount of support from the west to put a stop to an extremely evil dictators delusions of grandeur.

The only real question here, is why would anybody believe the tripe your spouting when ALL the evidence shows this was just naked Russian aggression.

Oh I remember western media telling us all about the glorious counter attack by the Ghost of Kiev driving Russians away but I learned long ago not to trust them, they get their information from the deep state and/or Kiev. Yes, I'm sure Boris was pontificating about Ukraine's prospects (and Zelensky's continued existence) with Nato's backing, but if he did show up to oppose a deal then doesn't that mean there was a deal to oppose? The deal would have largely dealt with the Donbas and their status within or independent of Ukraine and not joining Nato. Takes blinders to look at the last decade and avoid seeing the US arm Nazis and Jihadists to kill people while complaining about Russia and Syria for being our targets.

[Berzerker]

No, Russia was waging an 80 year war to "keep Finland in its place" while doing it from land they stole from Finland. I guess they must have taken that land to defend the poor Russians living there.

80 years ago Finland allied with the Nazis against Russia

[EPW]

The Nazis and Russia were allied when Russia invaded Finland!!

[Berzerker]

not 80 years ago

[Berzerker]

Bullcrap. Who "backed" ISIS? How did they "back" them?

Why is backing Azov a damning act? Is backing Wagner a damning act?

We backed ISIS with weapons, AQ was on our side in Syria. A time lapse of ISIS expansion shows they were getting our weapons and the "moderate rebels" served only as an entry point for weapons from Turkey. How do you explain that? The moderate rebels getting our weapons just sat there in NW Syria along the Turkish border while ISIS took half the country.

I dont want my country backing either Azov or Wagner, I want the Donbas free from both Kiev and Moscow and hopefully they can vote on their future instead of being chewed up by a western proxy war. Azov started the war, they attacked people protesting the coup that toppled the man they elected and they had our blessing and help. Telling me little green men instigated the separatist movement in the east doesn't matter, the people of the region did not support the coup. Most wanted more autonomy or outright independence.

[The Mad Monk]

Whoops too late for this one.