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What explains the rising share of COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated people?
There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths.
During the early rollout of vaccines, vaccinated people represented a small share of total deaths, but experts warned that the share would likely rise simply because vaccinated people were representing a growing share of the population. In other words, if 100% of people in the U.S. were vaccinated, vaccinated people would represent 100% of COVID-19 deaths. Similarly, as the share of the population with a booster rose somewhat during 2022, the share of deaths among boosted people also rose. COVID-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing severe illness and death, but they are not perfect, so deaths among vaccinated people will still occur.
Indeed, vaccinated people now make up the majority of the population – 79% of adults have completed at least the primary series – and the latest CDC data show that vaccinated people also now represent the majority of COVID-19 deaths. There are many more vaccinated people than there are unvaccinated people, and vaccinated and boosted people are, on average, older and more likely to have underlying health conditions that put them at risk for severe COVID-19 outcomes. That’s why, when CDC adjusts for some of these factors (age and population size), we still see that unvaccinated people are at much greater risk of death and other severe outcomes than people the same age who have stayed up-to-date on boosters. Older people are at greater risk for severe illness and death from COVID-19 than younger people, but vaccines and boosters still lower that risk substantially.
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"and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated."
How does the immunity among the unvaccinated change? Oh yeah, they got Covid and have natural immunity. -
"There are several factors at play here, including a rising share of the population that is vaccinated, waning immune protection and low uptake of boosters, and changes in immunity among the unvaccinated. New variants combined with a reduction in masking and other non-pharmaceutical interventions may also lead to more transmission, which can in turn lead to more deaths."
Vaccinated people relaxed on social distancing, they were spreading covid, not the unvaccinated.
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As far as Robert Kennedy is concerned...I don't think he has a chance. I do support people of all sorts getting in the race though. A lively debate and a democratic choice is what we are all about. For me, he doesn't work...."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Much appreciated BeBMan!
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Risk outweighs the reward. A study from Taiwan of HS students getting vaxed showed roughly 1/6 of the kids had damage show up on EKG tests. Now this was mostly minor temporary changes (we hope) and I dont know if they aspirated the shots but if the vax doesn't stop transmission whats the point of adding the risk of taking it. The vax makes sense for at risk populations, not kids or younger adults. But since most people already got vaxxed or caught covid herd immunity is close. I never got a booster and I wish I waited longer for the 2nd shot (they screwed that up too, getting the 2nd within a month of the 1st killed off the 2nd dose before it could properly trigger an immune response, the ABs from the 1st shot were still running around). They've been promising a reward and hiding the risk and lying about both.Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostComment
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Anyway, back on topic:
In late 2007, Kennedy and his sisters Kerry and Kathleen endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Democratic Party presidential primaries
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One study.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
And I do agree that it is not as clear for kids as it was for the elderly and even adults. However, not clear doesn't mean clearly dangerous and wrong. Often times you have to move forward with incomplete or contrary information.
That is very different than what you presented earlier, which is that vaccines were dangerous.
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I didn't say they were dangerous, I said they're a risk that can outweigh the reward. Other than stopping transmission which the vax does not do, the purpose of the vax is to create a reward that outweighs the risk of taking it. Providing solid albeit imperfect protection from death is the reward for people who need help, mostly older sick people. That risk is greater in younger people, I suspect not because of the vax but how it's administered. If it gets into the blood too quickly the heart will get hit by it whereas Covid enters the body thru the nasal passages, not the blood stream.Comment
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https://hellas.postsen.com/trends/24...-problems.html
"“The fact that there are possible arrhythmias and one serious case of myocarditis but also four serious arrhythmias is a very heavy price to pay for a vaccine that 99%-plus of these children don’t even need,” emphasized the eminent American cardiologist Andrew Boston.
"In total, 763 students (17.1%) had at least one cardiac symptom after the second vaccine dose, mostly chest pain and palpitations."
Correction, 1 in 6 had a cardiac symptom and 1% showed abnormal EKG. Thats two studies from Taiwan and Thailand both showing about a 17% rate.Comment
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He is polling at 20% despite Democrats getting all the left wing media to refuse to cover him. There is another candidate polling at 8%.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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There are a lot of Democrats that would prefer someone other than Biden. The problem is that there isn't a serious alternative. If there was one, I think Biden would be in trouble.
Kennedy and Williamson are not serious alternatives.
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Some more numbers on the heart issues for teens after second dose of Pfizer ( https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...tudy-rcna60118 ). Note that there are no deaths, but there are enough cases that they noted it was concerning. Pfizer's vaccine was safer than others that were put into place like Smallpox. Since your chance for heart issues after Covid are much higher than after vaccination, it isn't a huge deal.
Kids getting the Covid vaccine is complicated though, I agree (in part because Covid isn't that big of danger to kids, so far):
I remember seeing a few other opinion pieces which were critical of vaccinating kids for Covid. But I will point out that if the kid's vaccines are what allowed some schools to open up and kids to attend school, then they would be worth it.
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