Are we being played by the Medical Industrial Complex?

[EPW]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Berz might be right about the vaccines. There's been an unexplained worldwide increase in excess deaths in the last few months. There's ever increasing evidence that the vaccine can cause heart damage. A recent study that reanalyzed the rate of serious adverse side effects of the vaccine in original trials shows a rate of 1 in 800, which is absurdly high. There's been a continued push for vaccine boosters even though the recent variants are not particularly dangerous. What is going on here?

[-Jrabbit]

Dude, at least give us your sources.

Here's one:

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-infection-vaccination-linked-to-heart-condition/

Nothing to panic about.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

vaccine free right here! it was really pushed too hard and fast.

[Geronimo]

The risk of heart damage in covid infections is 1.8 to 5.6 times as high as booster risk.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/heart-problems-much-more-likely-covid-infection-vaccine

The question becomes does the vaccine reduce the heart damage odds of the subsequent infections since even post booster the covid infection will probably still occur, it will just be delayed and reduced severity.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

The risk of heart damage in covid infections is 1.8 to 5.6 times as high as booster risk.

The question becomes does the vaccine reduce the heart damage odds of the subsequent infections since even post booster the covid infection will probably still occur, it will just be delayed and reduced severity.

that's one study. i am sure there are others that might say something else. again, pushed too hard and fast. so in the end... the studies are being done because no one really knows.

[pchang]

The vaccines are fine. However, the cost of drugs in the US is another story.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

hopefully the vaccine is fine. i would not want to have to 'bail' out those who rushed to get the shot and now years later have big medical bills. and would then be looking for a government handout, like student loan forgiveness.

[Geronimo]

it's not like you can dodge any of the risk by not getting the shot. The shot doesn't expose you to anything that the virus doesn't. The virus definitely exposes you to any of that and a lot more. a bail out for shot recipients would be dwarfed by the bailout for covid patients.

[BeBMan]

I approve of this thread

[EPW]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

This is for the rate of adverse effects from the vaccine, which is like 50-100x higher than other vaccines, and this only looks at short term (~8months) side effects.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

"The shot doesn't expose you to anything that the virus doesn't"

really?!?!? so why test it??? why do studies??? again, really???

[Geronimo]

"The shot doesn't expose you to anything that the virus doesn't"

really?!?!? so why test it??? why do studies??? again, really???

The short answer is because FDA rules are generalized for all drugs, medical devices, combination devices...and vaccines

[My Wife Hates CIV]

The short answer is because FDA rules are generalized for all drugs, medical devices, combination devices...and vaccines

fair enough. so... IF we have FDA rules... why all the studies on the 'vaccine'. it must be A-ok. the FDA approved it. so with that said - you agree that all studies are a waste of resources???

[PLATO]

A Harm-Benefit study on any vaccine is never wasted resources. mRNA technology has been around in one form or another since the 1980s but I believe that this is the first time it has been used to create a widely distributed vaccine. The technology is potentially huge in fighting disease. The more we can learn, the better we can understand and use this technology to fight other viruses.

People tend to forget that COVID-19 was a Novel virus and a deadly one. The fast role out of the mRNA technology was warranted. Is it perfect? Obviously not. The efficacy rates were extremely high though (compared to most "traditional" vaccines) and something had to be done to stop (or at least curtail) the dying. mRNA was our best shot (No pun intended!) at accomplishing this.

Likely we will never know how many would have died without the vaccine so it is hard to say that side effects are acceptable in this case, but with over 100,000 dead in the U.S. alone it is likely that it has saved a tremendous amount of lives.

Is further study warranted? Of course it is. More than that, it is absolutely required so that we can fine tune this amazing technology. The potential benefit of mRNA vaccines is simply to immense.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I completely agree with the further study required. it was rushed way too soon to the public. the number of deaths - we will never know. that first year just about every death was - covid related. even when destroyed in a car accident - covid. many deaths that year would have happened anyway. not all for sure... but many.