Roe is gone! :D

[Berzerker]

bout a year ago

[My Wife Hates CIV]

[ZEE]

I'll have to remember to tell Paiktis about this thrade, I posted soem good ones here.

[ricketyclik]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator inalienable rights, among which are LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS".

Clearly not women though.

[PLATO]

Clearly not women though.

Hmmm...."LIFE" seems to be the ignored word here in your logic.

No Federal agency is denying a woman her right to choose, so not sure what you are saying by quoting a Federal Document anyway, but I understand frustration. The court has ruled, correctly, that this was not a right delegated to the Federal Government by the people and it is therefore reserved to the States or the People.

A constitutional amendment would rectify this. If the Democrats really want to get everyone on record for the upcoming elections, they should get busy with proposing an amendment to move through Congress. Instead they just vilify the SCOTUS for just doing its job.

If this had been handled correctly in the first place we would not have seen 50 years of bellicose whining from pro-lifers...well at least not to the extent we did see it. Now we will have to endure some amount of time of bellicose whining from pro-choicers. The only way to end this is to amend the Constitution with something that protects women's rights and limits things from drifting into the territory of questionable practice.

[Berzerker]

nothing in the Constitution about a right to have a child either, can states require abortions?

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th amendment

and yet you are construing the enumeration of certain rights to deny or disparage other rights that are far more fundamental than guns or any other rights that are enumerated.

[Proteus_MST]

Hmmm...."LIFE" seems to be the ignored word here in your logic.

...

The right to LIFE obviously seems to only be attributed to men according to the sentence that was quoted from Ben

[PLATO]

quoted from Ben

Sigh....

[Proteus_MST]

Sigh....

Well, it was the reason, ricketyclick quoted exactly this sentence from the OP

[Jon Miller]

Noah's recent newsletter reiterated the point I see time and time again. Most of the western world has regulations that are in between the what partisan Democrats claim to want and what partisan Republicans claim to want.

JM

[PLATO]

Well, it was the reason, ricketyclick quoted exactly this sentence from the OP

touche!

[PLATO]

Noah's recent newsletter reiterated the point I see time and time again. Most of the western world has regulations that are in between the what partisan Democrats claim to want and what partisan Republicans claim to want.

JM

If only the art of compromise was not ground in the dust by partisan stampedes.

[N35t0r]

If only the art of compromise was not ground in the dust by partisan stampedes.

With the fourth of July in recent memory, this makes me think the 13 colonies should have compromised more and not wanted a war that killed so many people and destroyed so many livelihoods just for the sake of some taxes. They clearly should have compromised more.

[Proteus_MST]

Noah's recent newsletter reiterated the point I see time and time again. Most of the western world has regulations that are in between the what partisan Democrats claim to want and what partisan Republicans claim to want.

JM

Aye ... here in germany, for example, you can get an abortion free from any prosecution.
But you need to have a mandatory counselling session firsthand (at a certified point of counselation), where you talk about alternatives to abortion.

Likewise abortions are free from any prosecution, if the pregnancy is the result of a rape, or if it is necessary in order to save the life of the mother

So, it is a little bit harsher than in the USA during Roe vs Wade ... but a (free) counselling session still is better than the situation you have now in many federal states

[PLATO]

With the fourth of July in recent memory, this makes me think the 13 colonies should have compromised more and not wanted a war that killed so many people and destroyed so many livelihoods just for the sake of some taxes. They clearly should have compromised more.

Actually I believe they did try and work through the system. It was the British side that would not compromise and war was the result.

[giblets]

Noah's recent newsletter reiterated the point I see time and time again. Most of the western world has regulations that are in between the what partisan Democrats claim to want and what partisan Republicans claim to want.

JM

Great, let's do it like Europe where abortions are paid for by the state. If we copied the policies of most of western Europe pro-choicers would be a lot happier than anti-choicers.