Roe is gone! :D

[I AM I AM I AM MOBIUS]

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/off-label-drug-use

ethyl oxide doesn't kill babies"by bruce rauner's sterigenics cover up

[ZEE]

Oh my. I guess MWHC is the official jester now. You need a new job ZEE.

I predicted this would come up; my clairvoyance skills are improving, however it is not my main talent. I am a Jester by necessity and trade not ego or clout. Also I like my avatar.

OTOH if I were to switch I would be The Jack of All Thrades, as I am one of the best and longest active threadjackers in this site's history. Maybe keep the avatar too but I have others.

[ZEE]

I was having a rap-video battle with Lillith (Yes THAT Lillith) and this was one of my response songs to her, sort of on this particular Threadjack:

SEE IF YOU CAN CONNECT THE DOTS

[PLATO]

Interesting debate on the question of "What is life?"

Clearly an amoeba is recognized as alive, but we have no compulsion about killing them at any time. So we must ask...how is this different than a fertilized human egg? I would say the obvious answer is "potential"? Of course, the process of just having sex gives us the "potential" for human life. It seems like we need something more...

Brain Activity seems like the next logical thing to look at. Of course, we kill livestock in droves and they have brain activity. What distinguishes the small spark of brain activity in an embryo from brain activity in a "born" person? Do we know?

So I think the question has to evolve into "What is HUMAN life?" Is it a fertilized egg? Is it an embryo showing the first signs of brain activity? Or, is it something completely different? Say..."Conscious thought" maybe? Of course, how do we determine conscious thought from brain activity?

I don't know and I don't believe anyone else does either. Until we can fully answer that question, then I think we will always have a debate. It comes down to a person's individual feelings on that matter.

So...let's take the Constitution further. Let's, for the sake of argument, say the Supreme Court was right in saying that it was not a Federal Matter. In that case, it falls to the States OR THE PEOPLE. I think, as the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution, the court could clearly say that this determination lies with THE PEOPLE and not with the States. That would effectively overturn Roe AND leave abortion clearly legal as a choice that the people can make for themselves. It looks to me like they did their job overturning Roe, but missed an opportunity to truly return some power to the people themselves.

[Uncle Sparky]

Happy Canada Day!

Remember men - you are responsible for the results if you stick anything in a beaver.

[ZEE]

Oh yeah time for a new Era; I was The Jester for almost a decade. Enjoy your new Jester title MWHC, if you so choose.

NOW I'M NOT JOKING

[My Wife Hates CIV]

[ZEE]

Are you going to keep your Old Timer title or change it to Jester?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

[My Wife Hates CIV]

[ZEE]

Only I can save this thrade now, so I am bumping it, and may completely change the topic to soemthing else.

[ZEE]

You must have me confused, I don't act silly.

I'M DISRESPECTING.

[Berzerker]

Roe circumvented the democratic process and the debate in the 70s to establish a norm well out of step with where society was at the time. It's also warped American politics for more than 50 years. All Dobbs has done is returned that decision to the elected representatives in America.

So really, if you can convince the majority of the people that abortion after the first trimester should be legal, you'll get that. That's how it should have been in the 70s. Had liberals at the time allowed that process to occur, I suspect we would be in a different place today.

should slavery be returned to the states for a vote?

If the state can ban abortion it can require abortion, like China did with its 1 child policy

yeah, Republicans just gave the state the power to force women to have abortions

[Berzerker]

"My body, my choice" rallies to be held around the country

proof of vaccination required to attend

[Geronimo]

"My body, my choice" rallies to be held around the country

proof of vaccination required to attend

Did you get vaccinated Berz?