Roe is gone! :D

[Jon Miller]

I should also say that after looking at the opinions, it isn't as bad as it could be. Kavanaugh at least, while voting to remove Roe, seemed to hold out that he was still a Conservative and not a Reactionary.

I am probably more concerned about the Miranda ruling.

JM

[PLATO]

You don't need to go that far. How long until a woman is detained / investigated / whatever due to a miscarriage?

That is truly a frightful thought. I do hope you are not a sage.

[PLATO]

The Republicans quit following norms when they didn't allow Garland (or an alternative) to move forward. Then they demonstrated their hypocrisy by moving forward on Barrett while voting was happening (and their candidate was losing).

There is good cause for people (and most people) to believe the Court is 'rigged'.

JM

Rigged? Donald? Is that you? What have you done with Jon!!??!!

[PLATO]

So...the validity of the 14th amendment argument has been in question for decades. Until now, the court has allowed freedom and common sense to overrule its constitutional mission. They have now fulfilled their purpose. It is up to us (those of us in the U.S.) to take action with our national representatives to once and for all codify into the Constitution a women's right to do with her own body as she sees fit. Until the day when we can make enough people see the light to make this happen we need to get involved locally with our state representatives to make them do the right thing. Remember, the true power here lies with the people...we need only to act with purpose to achieve those goals.

[Jon Miller]

Did Republicans follow the norms in the last 8 years with respect to the selection Supreme Court Justices? What was the result of Republicans changing how things were done?

What would have the result have been if the Republicans hadn't done that?

JM

[PLATO]

Did Republicans follow the norms in the last 8 years with respect to the selection Supreme Court Justices? What was the result of Republicans changing how things were done?

What would have the result have been if the Republicans hadn't done that?

JM

Norms? What laws were broken? None. It is up to the Senate to set its own rules. If you read McConnell's reasoning, then you will see there was no double standard.

Now...do I agree with how Garland's nomination was handled? No, I do not. Was it up to the Senate to decide how to handle it? Yes. Could the democrats do the same thing in the future? Absolutely. Will anyone like it better then? Nope.

[Jon Miller]

You understand what the word norm means, don't you? It isn't the same as lawful, but it is very similar.

Norm:
something that is usual, typical, or standard.
"this system has been the norm in Germany for decades"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/norm

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/norm

Most of the functioning of government and law depends on norms. In this case there was a way that we had done things for hundreds of years, which allowed us to have a functional court system, which the Republicans broke in order to have the 6-3 majority which allowed this decision (and others, like the gun and Miranda decisions which I view as possibly worse signs than this, because Roe was wrongly decided).

Conservatives center themselves on norms and morals and not just reason and strict laws. The reversal of norms of the modern Republican Party is a further sign that they have left conservatism behind them (that it isn't just Trump).

JM

[Jon Miller]

What would you have said if Obama had added 2 justices to the court in 2009?

The court being 9 justices is also just a norm.

JM

[PLATO]

You understand what the word norm means, don't you? It isn't the same as lawful, but it is very similar.

Norm:
something that is usual, typical, or standard.
"this system has been the norm in Germany for decades"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/norm

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/norm

Most of the functioning of government and law depends on norms. In this case there was a way that we had done things for hundreds of years, which allowed us to have a functional court system, which the Republicans broke in order to have the 6-3 majority which allowed this decision (and others, like the gun and Miranda decisions which I view as possibly worse signs than this, because Roe was wrongly decided).

Conservatives center themselves on norms and morals and not just reason and strict laws. The reversal of norms of the modern Republican Party is a further sign that they have left conservatism behind them (that it isn't just Trump).

JM

I understand what you are saying, but I just disagree. The government should be run by laws, not traditions. If a tradition is that critical then then it should be codified. And I must say, that was rather condescending to ask if I understood the word Norms and then post the definition of it. Apologies if I have disrespected you in any way that made you think THAT was necessary.

[PLATO]

What would you have said if Obama had added 2 justices to the court in 2009?

The court being 9 justices is also just a norm.

JM

As long as a constitutional and legal process is followed, I would be okay with it. Just because I don't like a result doesn't mean that I don't like the process. I do like being free and having a voice that is equal and the ability to redress the government with my grievances.

Court packing is certainly not addressed in the Constitution, but the inevitable end of each successive President adding enough justices to gain a majority just seems like a waste of time and the beginning of the unravelling of the justice system. At some point the people would put a stop to it by demanding that an amendment addressing the size of the court be put in place. Surely no one wants a court that is 11 members, then 15 members, then 20 members, then 25 members, etc... as each successive President tries to change the game, but I guess it is not out of the question.

I wouldn't worry to much about the court though. These things tend to be cyclical. In 30 years the Conservatives may be singing the same Blues you are now.

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[N35t0r]

so when Republicans follow the norm and impeach Biden... will that be ok? Jon?

You really think you're funny, or even worse, insightful?

[PLATO]

You really think you're funny, or even worse, insightful?

Well...two out of the last 4 Presidents have faced Impeachment trials. How does a "Norm" get established?

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