Roe is gone! :D

[Egbert]

I'm sure you would have opposed independence in 1776.

Independence was a mistake.

[Lorizael]

when will the violence start? the violence dems somehow justify.

Start? The Right has been bombing abortion clinics for decades.

[BeBMan]

*mumbles something about thoughts and prayers.

[dannubis]

Let's hope the ****stain that is the OP never has a daughter that gets pregnant... otherwise he will have to pay for an abortion in a state that allows it...

[Elok]

1. This place did not need BK to come back. Gonna get that out of the way first.
2. Yay, the damn thing's dead, now we can work on repairing the damage fifty years of it did to our politics.
3. It's not 1972 so most illegal abortions will now be done with smuggled pills; septic mutilated corpses will be few and far between.
4. This doesn't do a whole lot to change the status quo; the states which will make this illegal are states that already made it nearly impossible to run an abortion clinic efficiently. These states will go from one or two clinics each to zero, and women will have to drive a little farther to snuff their kids in utero.
5. The leak probably did us a favor by letting out the pressure slowly; I'm aware of only one real riot so far, in Phoenix.
6. All the other ass-pull decisions based on the same kind of reasoning (Lawrence, Griswold, Obergefell, etc.) are in fact endangered by this precedent, even if they're way less controversial than Roe and most of the judges are not interested in messing with them at present. We should respond to this by codifying our expectations in actual law instead of relying on nine unelected officials to run our democracy for us.

[Lorizael]

4. This doesn't do a whole lot to change the status quo; the states which will make this illegal are states that already made it nearly impossible to run an abortion clinic efficiently. These states will go from one or two clinics each to zero, and women will have to drive a little farther to snuff their kids in utero.

Pro-life activists didn't fight for 50 years to not change the status quo a whole lot. That's why Pence is calling for a national abortion ban and some are trying to make it illegal to travel out of state to get an abortion.

[Elok]

Pro-life activists didn't fight for 50 years to not change the status quo a whole lot. That's why Pence is calling for a national abortion ban and some are trying to make it illegal to travel out of state to get an abortion.

Kavanaugh already explicitly ruled out the second and I don't see it passing without him, even assuming it's enforceable. As for the national ban, congress flips enough that I don't see it lasting long before people get tired of the farce of legal/illegal/legal. If it does stick around, I expect non-compliant states' attorneys to neutralize it, same as they do with marijuana. We're going to wind up, one way or another, with moderate restrictions more or less consistent with what the nation thinks reasonable, which is less restrictive than I want but better than the mess caused by Roe.

[Dauphin]

So according to what my Twitter feed tells me, SCOTUS believes life begins at conception and ends in mass shooting.

[Lorizael]

Kavanaugh already explicitly ruled out the second and I don't see it passing without him, even assuming it's enforceable. As for the national ban, congress flips enough that I don't see it lasting long before people get tired of the farce of legal/illegal/legal. If it does stick around, I expect non-compliant states' attorneys to neutralize it, same as they do with marijuana. We're going to wind up, one way or another, with moderate restrictions more or less consistent with what the nation thinks reasonable, which is less restrictive than I want but better than the mess caused by Roe.

I know you have a different perspective than pro-choice people, but try to imagine how unpersuasive and unreassuring "don't worry, only some of your bodily autonomy is being taken away, and probably not as much as we'd like" is.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

[The Mad Monk]

Yeah, men manage to not get pregnant alllll the time...

[The Mad Monk]

Pro life, btw. Just hate that kind of "reasoning".

[Jon Miller]

Kavanaugh already explicitly ruled out the second and I don't see it passing without him, even assuming it's enforceable. As for the national ban, congress flips enough that I don't see it lasting long before people get tired of the farce of legal/illegal/legal. If it does stick around, I expect non-compliant states' attorneys to neutralize it, same as they do with marijuana. We're going to wind up, one way or another, with moderate restrictions more or less consistent with what the nation thinks reasonable, which is less restrictive than I want but better than the mess caused by Roe.

What do you think will happen if Trump or someone similar wins in 2024?

JM

[Jon Miller]

6. All the other ass-pull decisions based on the same kind of reasoning (Lawrence, Griswold, Obergefell, etc.) are in fact endangered by this precedent, even if they're way less controversial than Roe and most of the judges are not interested in messing with them at present. We should respond to this by codifying our expectations in actual law instead of relying on nine unelected officials to run our democracy for us.

I sort of agree, but I also am conservative so I am concerned about the results of change. I don't think we should make some drastic changes without considering the consequences (same with Roe).

JM

[Jon Miller]

I am pro-life if you consider the Oregon law or similar. I am pro-choice if you consider current Missouri? law.

I am not sure if this is actually going to reduce abortions after brainwaves much.

JM
(brain waves are 6 weeks, viability is 21 weeks or so, I think that anywhere between the two is reasonable right now)