Will Trump be back ?

[dannubis]

How do the USians look at what is happening in the "6th of January commission" ?
Do they think it is all a big lie ?
Will Trump be able to run after all that is being exposed ?

[SlowwHand]

If not,Cruz or DeSantis.

[dannubis]

And how do you guys look at this commission ? (Genuinely interested here).

My opinion :
From across the Atlantic there wasn't much love for Trump, but if you peal away this bias and purely look at what is being made public, I don't see how Trump can be considered fit to run for office... It seems like letting a pedophile work in a kinder garden.

[Egbert]

There are probably worse presidential contenders than Trump.


Rand Paul. Hilary Clinton. Kamala Harris.

[Elok]

I think he was obviously unfit in 2015 before the genital-grabbing went public, and I'm not bothering over the hearings. He'll likely hold the nomination captive, and it's really hard to say what would happen in a run between him and Biden (who has managed to become more unpopular than Trump with his economic bungling). Right now, he'd win a straight runoff, but majorities of the public do not want either man to run again. I don't expect Biden to be allowed to run in '24 and I don't know who'd replace him. I don't think Buttiwhatever or Kamala would beat Trump at this point and I don't know that the party would risk either. Who else do the Dems have?

[Jon Miller]

I haven't watched, but I don't watch, and I have been following the commission. I have learned new things, but I expected to. I have been concerned that people wouldn't be paying any attention.

If we vote for Trump over anyone that I have heard of (even Cruz or De Santis) then we don't deserve to be a country anymore. And probably won't. Maybe people are starting to realize that.

Biden is getting knocked for cleaning up after both Obama and Trump. He hasn't been perfect but he is much better than his current approval rating. However, he is way too old and shouldn't run in 2024.

Reagan with Alzheimers would much better than Trump though.

I am not a fan of Harris on the Democratic side. I think other people aren't too, I don't think she will walk into the nomination. There are a ton of up and coming Democrats, for example: Pressley, Whitmer and Warnock.

JM

[My Wife Hates CIV]

I have not been watching season 3 of 'the circus'. just to catch everyone up - circus meaning, A circus is a political group of performers who put on diverse entertainment shows that may include clowns, those suffering from TDS and endless evidence that somehow does not exist.

lets all remember the dems lied for 4 years trying to remove a president they didn't like. we all know this now as fact.

The first 2 seasons seemed to have failed so now the dems are off to the races again with this jan 6th thing. With everything going on in the US today I think most people could not care less about jan 6th. Trump is history. Now I understand dems freak out over trump but again, he is gone. Time to move on. Lets fix a few things that are issues today - no need to list them, everyone knows the list. it's growing each day.

I would not vote for trump - i worry he might run because there are some that would vote for him even if another GOP person was running and split the ticket and just too many still suffer from TDS and would vote for biden again. Yes, even if it means they end up with nothing in their 401ks they would still vote biden, Sometimes I think dems would end their own lives over voting for GOP. With that said - Biden is a very bad president - it's clear he is just a puppet and whoever is the real president, that remains an unknown. He is not even allowed to speak or take questions in some cases. and yes, biden lies too. yes, it's not just trump. But telling a lie is not the issue with either trump or biden. you either hate trump/biden or like trump/biden. either way, the lie thing (for both of them) is just a reason to complain.

again, biden has been a very bad president/puppet. dont take my word for it - just look at the polls.

Now, back to this jan 6th clown show... again adam is saying there is evidence against trump. I am still waiting for that evidence of russian collusion adam says he had for 4 years (could we all call this the 'big lie'?). See, the issue is Adam has absolutely no credibility anymore. IF anyone should not be in the clown show it's adam. In fact, I might even listen for a minute if he was not in it. but again - i do not care - trump is history. we moved on from hillary, the dems should take the GOP's lead and follow the same way. and believe it or not, i dont care about her either. who cares now about all the illegal games she played - she is history.

trump served his purpose. but his time is over, at least in the white house. i want a GOP president thats not 80 years old. With polls showing as they do now it seems bidens time is about up along with many dems. the dems have no one i would vote for - they have not earned my vote over the last 12 months (dems are going crazy), but only time will tell and that time is just a few months away. my only question now is how will dems handle 'the new circus' next year?! cause i bet the show will be a bit different and focus on some new players. you might even see some new clowns.

[Jon Miller]

lets all remember the dems lied for 4 years trying to remove a president they didn't like. we all know this now as fact.

This is nonsense.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, whom Trump asked to “find” votes in a leaked phone call, testified that Trump received fewer votes than expected because roughly 28,000 Republicans who voted didn’t choose a president that year, supporting GOP candidates for other offices instead.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/21/jan-...-election.html

It is clear who lost the election.

JM

[PLATO]

This is nonsense.

JM

Hey Jon. I wanted to thank you for a different post when you asked me to look deeper into the Jan 6 situation as I had called it "just a riot". I did and learned many interesting things. However, that is not all that I have looked into and if you truly think that there was not any lying and fabrication going on wrt the Dems trying to oust Trump then I would implore you to dig deeper as well.


Both parties have embarrassed themselves over their actions for quite some time now and I believe that crimes have been committed on both sides. It is purely partisan, at this point, to say one side did wrong and another did not.

Now...back to Jan 6. Was it a coup attempt? If so, it was one of the poorer ones in history. Best case is a President honestly believing that an election was being stolen and taking whatever action he could to forestall that. Worst case, imho, is that a megalomaniacal child was throwing a temper tantrum over being rejected by the people. If a true insurrection or coup was being attempted I believe that the President of the United States could have done far more to cause real issues as opposed to sending an unarmed mob to the capital.

So...to the OP. Will Trump be back? I think that a thoughtful person would say that it certainly looks likely that he will run again. I imagine that it could be a very interesting primary season as we see where Republican loyalties truly lay. IF he makes it out of the Primaries, then I think he could take Biden. If Hillary runs, America may just decide that their hatred of her is less than their hatred of Trump or Biden's performance. In any event, it is hard to see a good leader emerging from an environment of increasingly polarized politics.

[Jon Miller]

What lie did the dems maintain for 4 years as part of an attempt to oust Trump?

JM

[My Wife Hates CIV]

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, whom Trump asked to “find” votes in a leaked phone call, testified that Trump received fewer votes than expected because roughly 28,000 Republicans who voted didn’t choose a president that year, supporting GOP candidates for other offices instead.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/21/jan-...-election.html

It is clear who lost the election.

JM

it is very clear trump lost. it is very clear hillary lost. so lets remember this pattern of not being able to see the light did not start with trump.

[dannubis]

EDIT : To PLATO:

Putting the obvious political side show aside, are you not concerned he seems completely incompatible with the normal democratic change in power?

I watched the testimonies of 3 senior staunch republicans who said Trump himself put pressure on them to take illegal actions in the aftermath of elections (in an effort to overturn the results...)

[My Wife Hates CIV]

What lie did the dems maintain for 4 years as part of an attempt to oust Trump?

JM

Russian collusion - false

Hillary Clinton personally approved her campaign's plans in fall 2016 to share information with a reporter about an uncorroborated alleged server backchannel between Donald Trump and a top Russian bank - which was false

Adam - Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said there is "plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight" regarding the Trump campaign and Russia - false

none of these turned out to be true.

do you agree that these are now lies that have been confirmed lies Jon?

[My Wife Hates CIV]

"he seems completely incompatible with the normal democratic change in power?" it seems hillary was incompatible too. BUT, if we are only going to hold one party accountable than what is the point? see this jan 6th circus is pointless.