Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

https://youtu.be/mS8YOjvUtJc

Ukrainian kill lists... cuz they love freedom and democracy

Are they talking about Myrotvorets?

Who calls it a kill list? Strange that it has led to the arrests of 1000+ people if it is a hit list of people to kill.

What government doesn't maintain public lists of people it plans to arrest? The biggest issue human rights observers have had is the doxing of everybody on it because the list includes several journalists.

if you want to protect journalists start by opposing Putin.

[PLATO]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

[Broken_Erika]

I believe the cruise missiles that sunk the Moskva were designed and built in Ukraine. Well, technically they were based on an old soviet design but with modern engine and electronics....

[PLATO]

My understanding is Ukraine is running low on S-300s while Buks are to short on range. That just leaves Patriots though I believe the Italians are preparing to send an Italian designed system.

Ammunition for Russian systems is a critical component for Ukrainian air defense. I have seen the same reports that ammunition for these systems is very low. Not sure if S-300 and Buk ammunition was ever built in Ukraine but I imagine they may be able to produce some internally if they were able to fabricate equipment and had the specs.

This brings to mind an interesting question I have not seen addressed anywhere...What is the state of Ukrainian domestic arms production and what are they producing?

[PLATO]

I'm surprised that a patriot was needed for a bomber. Aren't they generally easy targets for conventional air defences?

It was the distance involved. The Patriot was the only system with the range to attack the aircraft.

[Dinner]

My understanding is Ukraine is running low on S-300s while Buks are to short on range. That just leaves Patriots though I believe the Italians are preparing to send an Italian designed system.

[Geronimo]

Pentagon says unit is fully repaired and back in service. Russia's "destruction" of a Patriot battery took less than 48 hours to fix.

In other news, The Patriot just shot down a Russian bomber.

I'm surprised that a patriot was needed for a bomber. Aren't they generally easy targets for conventional air defences?

[Geronimo]

For the record, often when discussing Ukraine with Berz, or Serb or any other Putin supporter/Putin believer, I will refer to the removal of Viktor Yanukovych, lawfully elected in internationally observed free elections, as a "coup". I do so not because I believe his ouster technically qualifies as a coup, but largely because whether or not it was a coup is totally irrelevant to what Russia would or would not be justified in doing to Ukraine. I generally don't want to get the discussion off on a tangent so I call it coup as well.

Having said all that, it totally was not a coup. Even if I don't think his ouster was a good idea and that the Ukrainians should have tried voting him out, at least once, his removal was perfectly legal.

[PLATO]

The reality is one unit was slightly damaged but still functional from a small explosion near it. All of the "unstoppable" missiles Russia launched got shot down.

Pentagon says unit is fully repaired and back in service. Russia's "destruction" of a Patriot battery took less than 48 hours to fix.

In other news, The Patriot just shot down a Russian bomber.

[PLATO]

The guy was democratically elected and fled for his life after he was blamed for 100+ people killed in a right wing coup. Vote against us and we will murder people, free and democratic. The people who did that went around killing dissidents and they attacked eastern Ukrainians who overwhelmingly voted for the man for not supporting their coup. Those are the facts as I know them. Its bizarre how people outraged by Jan 6 have no problem with a bloodbath in Kiev and arming Nazis to go on a rampage.

Okay Berz...I am beginning to wonder about your cognitive abilities here. The former President of Ukraine was removed from office using a Constitutional process by the Parliament elected at the same time he was.

Pretty easy to understand. This makes it NOT a coup.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. I guess you just keep spouting it in the hopes people won't do the research on what really happened?

[Dinner]

This video is for Berz.

https://youtu.be/Rh4QU7hxKVg

[Geronimo]

I'm talking about the people of the Donbas. If Putin's little green men were in charge why did they support Minsk? The deal kept the Donbas in Ukraine. And the only guns pointed at Ukrainians were held by Azov, they showed up to attack eastern Ukraine. Putin limited his response to defending them, not attacking Kiev.

Putin's little green men were to establish a frozen conflict that Putin hoped he could leverage to weaken ukraine at minimal cost to Russia.

Putins little green men (actually just Putin himself perhaps since nobody else is permitted to express an original thought on foreign policy) wanted Minsk to get the UA out of Donbas so he could start the special operation with that much more of a head start.

Putin has broken every treaty and agreement with Ukraine. I find it laughable that you conflate him signing a treaty as him accepting, let alone endorsing its terms.

For Putin, treaties are just a weapon to use against lesser gullible powers.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/mS8YOjvUtJc

Ukrainian kill lists... cuz they love freedom and democracy

[Berzerker]

The Ukrainians had hundreds of thousands of guns to their heads.

Why do suppose Iraq agreed to UNSC 687 and 689? It wasn't because the Saddam Hussein regime thought they were a good idea they wanted to line up behind. If there was any support of the Iraqi people for either resolution it would have been in hopes of end to the war.

The Ukrainians also hoped something, anything agreed to in the Minsk agreement would be delivered by the Russians and their Separatist puppets led by at that time by Moscow born and previously resident FSB agents who had never previously lived in the Donbas. The Ukrainians would be completely disappointed. Russia, despite demanding a seat at the table of the Minsk "negotiations" actually immediately publicly and officially declared they were bound by nothing in the agreements whatsoever. Per Minsk, the Separatists were to be disarmed and Russia was immediately discovered shipping more arms to the Separatists and never stopped.

Ukraine never supported any version of Minsk that Russia was willing to even give lip service to, let alone that Russia would actually respect.

I'm talking about the people of the Donbas. If Putin's little green men were in charge why did they support Minsk? The deal kept the Donbas in Ukraine. And the only guns pointed at Ukrainians were held by Azov, they showed up to attack eastern Ukraine. Putin limited his response to defending them, not attacking Kiev.

[Geronimo]

Then why did they support Minsk?

The Ukrainians had hundreds of thousands of guns to their heads.

Why do suppose Iraq agreed to UNSC 687 and 689? It wasn't because the Saddam Hussein regime thought they were a good idea they wanted to line up behind. If there was any support of the Iraqi people for either resolution it would have been in hopes of end to the war.

The Ukrainians also hoped something, anything agreed to in the Minsk agreement would be delivered by the Russians and their Separatist puppets led by at that time by Moscow born and previously resident FSB agents who had never previously lived in the Donbas. The Ukrainians would be completely disappointed. Russia, despite demanding a seat at the table of the Minsk "negotiations" actually immediately publicly and officially declared they were bound by nothing in the agreements whatsoever. Per Minsk, the Separatists were to be disarmed and Russia was immediately discovered shipping more arms to the Separatists and never stopped.

Ukraine never supported any version of Minsk that Russia was willing to even give lip service to, let alone that Russia would actually respect.