Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Donegeal]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-appearing-to-execute-their-fellow-soldiers-as-they-attempt-to-flee-the-field-of-battle/vi-AA1cuCgQ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=b1aae9d50f1a494d95a335320cb3ac97&ei=45

There is no retreat for Russian conscripts who don't even want to be there.

[pchang]

If we set aside the whole "whataboutism" thing, the Ukrainian prosecutor was accused of corruption at the time. It was only a few months ago that more Ukrainian officials were dismissed on corruption grounds. Making sure that the money being sent is mostly spent on what it was supposed to be spent on (like say name brand military spec tires) is in the national interest. So no. Not the same.

[Dinner]

More Maga nonsense. He was impeached for using his office for personal gains.
You can argue all you want about Biden doing this or that, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump abused his power for personal gains.
He was not impeached for the weapons. Nice try, but total BS.

The irony being Biden literally did the same thing as V.P..

[-Jrabbit]

Saying Trump's impeachment was over foreign policy is pure effing BS, Berz.

[BeBMan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...9-f8557a758fae

Azov is bad. I've never said otherwise, and I've never praised them in this fight. However, sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". War makes strange bedfellows. Sometimes you to have look at the larger picture, and in this case, Putin and his dictatorship is the bigger picture.

Indeed. And also, Azov is nowhere near as influential as Berz' usual rehash of Russian propaganda bits wants to depict it.

They are basically a brand of fringe/ultranationalist/neonazi which exist to some extent in lotsa countries, west or not. My main criticism would be that they are part of Ukraine's National Guard. But they certainly don't run the country.

The same brand of more-or-less-openly-fascist stuff exists in Russia (just arguing from a Greater-Russia POV), and not only in fringe groups or "thinkers" like Dugin, it is clearly present in Putin's thinking and actions.

[Donegeal]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-western-media-is-whitewashing-the-azov-battalion/ar-AA1ctVvk?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=7c9b5bec39de4444b3ca60acf1fafa81&ei=6#comments&commentId=01490eeb-4e71-45c4-a409-f8557a758fae

Azov is bad. I've never said otherwise, and I've never praised them in this fight. However, sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". War makes strange bedfellows. Sometimes you to have look at the larger picture, and in this case, Putin and his dictatorship is the bigger picture.

My Dad has told me time and again, "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." Putin and Ukraine is the current bite. Azov is a much smaller bite and we'll chew them up later; but for right now, they're helping us chew this bite.

[Dinner]

The actual events of 2014 instead of fantasies written in Moscow.

https://youtu.be/FBOT8bs_ews

[N35t0r]

This guy has already called that the offensive failed, and said that it was only launched due to foreign pressure lol.

[N35t0r]

I'll take the word of people in the flood zone over that of a retired military guy in the US

[N35t0r]

https://youtu.be/ZcK9ftfJg78

4m in, Col Daniel Davis said Ukraine was shelling flood survivors being evacuated

it is believe the opposite day

Most of the videos I've seen the rescuers have Ukrainian markings and/or are speaking Ukrainian.

Do these guys have actual proof? Or are they going by whatever Russia is reporting.

[Ming]

But Trump got impeached over foreign policy, not asking Zelensky to investigate Biden and Burisma

More Maga nonsense. He was impeached for using his office for personal gains.
You can argue all you want about Biden doing this or that, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump abused his power for personal gains.
He was not impeached for the weapons. Nice try, but total BS.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/ZcK9ftfJg78

4m in, Col Daniel Davis said Ukraine was shelling flood survivors being evacuated

it is believe the opposite day

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/RtPPafaA_og

16m in Larry Johnson said Ukraine has been using images of Russian 1st responders in the flood zone to claim credit for rescue efforts. Weren't we told Russia was shelling Ukrainian 1st responders? Must have been Ukrainians shelling Russians, its believe the opposite day.

[Berzerker]

Please try to document that without using russian sources.

What Russian sources have I used? I've seen the BBC interview a sniper, forensic evidence of the crime scene, and live police radio traffic all showing gunmen fired on cops and protesters. The cops retreated so the snipers kept shooting protesters. Odesa soon followed as the right wing cracked down on dissent. Western media starts noticing a 'problem' while Azov attacks eastern Ukrainian protesters. I've seen a few of the interviews with Right Sector et al bragging about how they were the muscle behind the revolution. I gotta believe Obama knew what was coming if he didn't outright order it, but whatever, he did embrace the coup and help it succeed. And then he and Joe armed these fine people to kill protesters along the border with Russia.

So what specifically do you want documented? Nazis killing or attacking Ukrainians? Open your eyes, they've been doing it for years with our tax dollars. The people in the Donbas must roll their eyes when US presidents lecture the world about the war on terror.

[Berzerker]

The weapons shipment was a threat... extortion to have them do HIS PERSONAL BIDDING. FACT!
The rest of you statement is just pure maga alt right nonsense.
The only pattern you see is what the alt right is lying about.
You keep claiming that the dems are the pro war party... but which party wants to keep raising the Pentagon budget and which party wants to reduce it.
Oh, that's right. Trump and his cronies in the Republican party are the leaders of the big war/defense machine. Every time the Dems even hint at lowering military spending, the Repubs go nuts.

The Dems extorted Ukraine to investigate Trump based on lies from the DNC and Clinton campaign designed to frame Trump as a traitor. And they did that before Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate Biden and Burisma...actual corruption, not pee tape nonsense. To say the Dems are the pro-war party would imply the GOP is not, both parties feed the war machine. But Trump got impeached over foreign policy, not asking Zelensky to investigate Biden and Burisma. Vindman was pissed about weapons, he was silent when Dems were employing Ukraine to get Trump.