Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Serb]

Honestly, Plato,
Imagine for one second that half of the Mexico is historically populated by Americans, that the half of the Mexico is historically American lands and that the half of entire population of Mexico are ethnically Amercians, who have been constantly presecuted by the central authoritiees. With time pass, the things are going better and better:
Russia initiates, supplies and supports a coup and overthrows a legitimate democrtically elected president (whose only fault was that he was something in between USA and Russia and didn't became a complete Russian puppet). Then the new authorities ban English language and close all English schools and so on and when American populated part of Mexico revolts against this illegal coup, the junta sends an army to kill them.

And junta actually start to killing them in thousands with their bombs, tanks and guns!

Moreover, then Mexico publically declares that it will join a military alliance lead by Russia and proclaims that American are not humans at all and should be exterminated and it will place Russian weapon system on their territory to fulfill that goal.

So, the question is:

How many HOURS USA would have tolerated this sh!t before bringing Mexico to the Dark Ages and kill millions of those insane idiots?

Russia has tolerated this for at least 8 years and suggested a peacefull solution until the last moment!

So, FYI!​

[Berzerker]

oh I dont believe much of anything western media has to say... But I do find their consistent lying helpful, just believe the opposite until independent corroboration arrives

[Berzerker]

So now you discover nuance eh? Yes, Soviet Afghanistan was a proxy war. not a 3/3 US war as you constantly claim. Most important of all, the US did not start any part or stage of the soviet Afghanistan war. Soviets and locals started all of the fighting. The US offered assistance with training and weapons that, adjusting for inflation (~$47 billion USD 2023), was actually similar to the USSR level of military aid to Vietnam (about $44 billion USD 2023). Actually, 85% of millitary aid to the mujahedeen came from non US sources. So how in the hell do you ascribe the casualties in both wars as 3/3 belonging to the US?

If the Donbas and Crimea don't want to be rule by Azov they are lucky that Azov has never ruled them or anybody else.

You offered a special interpretation of coup as any change in power that occurs even in part due to a violent act. You even interpret that as meaning that if a president if framed for a sniper attack on civilians and loses power then any government that later takes power is a coup. I'd say that's a very special definition of coup.

Whether or not you support Assad you can't claim that a coup absolves Russia of all culpability in starting a war in the Donbas while pretending that the US owns 3/3 of casualties in Syria for a civil war that erupted when Assad assumed power in Syria through ongoing violence.

Be consistent Berz. That's all I ask. And no, I don't mean be consistently inconsistent.

How was our proxy war in Afghanistan not our fault? Most important of all, where did I say there was no war in Afghanistan prior to our war in Afghanistan?

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1992, prior to and during the military intervention by the USSR in support of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The mujahideen were also supported by Britain's MI6, who conducted their own separate covert actions. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups, including groups with jihadist ties, that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Soviet-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan administration since before the Soviet intervention.^[1]​

Prior to Russia's intervention. We were arming terrorists to destroy Afghanistan so Russia would intervene and Jimmy could boycott the Olympics (another effing sociopath). Imagine that, instead of arming Afghans we imported radicals. I'm surprised Jimmy Carter didn't call them moderate rebels. Proxy wars dont work without tribes. We find the meanest tribe available and the folks back home dont care since their kids aint dying.

The reason the Nazis didn't rule the Donbas is because the people living there defended themselves. Azov and the right wing have run Ukraine since 2014. They drove the leader from office and got their officials put into powerful positions and sent militias east to kill protesters. So will you compel eastern Ukrainians to live under their rule? That would be the situation if Ukraine wins. I didn't offer a special interpretation of coup, I used the definition in the dictionary. I have repeatedly said the massacre was the coup. The guy ran for his life for god's sake. Nazis murder 100 people, leader flees, legislature codifies the coup. Well, sort of... I dont know if the vote was legal but I do know the guy was framed and they probably knew it and a court would decide in his favor, thats why they buried the investigation. Better than buried by snipers. Yup, Nazis run around murdering people and we call it democracy. Sir, nothing to see here, move along...

We armed terrorists to destroy Syria. Your argument appears to be thats okay because Assad killed protesters and therefore we are not to blame for all the people killed by our effort to destroy Syria. I thought he inherited his father's throne/regime. Russia didn't start the war in the Donbas. The people living there didn't shoot at Russians, they were shooting at Azov. Kinda telling, no?

[Serb]

And since you are an American idiot and won't get the meaning, I will rephrase that for you:

"If USSR is divided, so is Ukraine"

[Serb]

Remember, Plato:

"If Canada is divided, so is Quebec!!!"

[Serb]

We save people, not rape them. Nazis do rape!

[Serb]

Rape is not self defense

Especially, when rape is fake and done for Western cameras.

[Berzerker]

Nazis murdered 100 people, the leader was blamed and he ran for his life. No no, not a coup, really. Oh but Jan 6, now that was a coup.

[Serb]

They are intentionally killing women and children using YOUR WEAPONS!!!

Using your cluster munition!!!

(Which you have considered to be a war crime, before you gave them such)

[Serb]

Berz...if they were arming them "to kill ethnic Russians" why the hell didn't that happen?? Why did so many fewer ethnic Russians die from 2013 to February 2021 than have died since? If they were shelling cities to kill ethnic Russians, why were so vastly many more ethnic Russian homes destroyed from March 2021 to March 2022 than from January 2013 to January 2021?

​Well, you know, when you Westerners were creaming your pants about the "peaceful protesters" at Maidan in 2014, the "peaceful protesters" who shot and burned police officers with molotov coctails ALIVE (something that never happened at Capitolium), I've started a thread here and told you that very soon your "peaceful Maidan protesters" will start to slaughter the ones who are opposing the coup with artillery, tanks and aviation instead of the Molotov cocktails and you will apploud to them!!!
And my prediction was absolutely correct back then in 2014. Just weeks after the new illegal Kiev coup junta had started their military campaign over Donbass.

You, Westerners have a memory as great, as a memory of aquarium fish!

You are so primitive and so easily manipulated by your media.
And you - Americans, are the champions of that! You oversimplify fking EVERYTHING!
In your artificially created universe there is only black and white.
I've seen that many times here during the last 22 years I am a member of this community.
In August 2008, I have started a thread "This is war" or something like that, where I have outraged about Gergian killing of Osetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers and predicted that your media will portray the upcoming war as Russian invasion to innocent Georgia.
And I was right again - everything happened just like as I have predicted.
One week before the February 24, 2022, I have started a thread, where I predicted once again that there will be war, because Ukranian have ammased 250 000 troops and started a heavy bombardment of Donbass cities, thus starting the war already. In this thread I have predicted that you will not notice that and will start to cream your pants about the Russian agression, when Russia will finally intervenue to stop the Ukranian offensive on Donbass, just like you did in 2008.
I was right once again!
And your media do the same SH!T over and over again and you never learn!!!

You don't need truth, all you need is your media propaganda!!!

Back then I have created another thread to show YOUR PROPAGANDA LIES to justify your previous wars and predicted that it will be the same this time!
BECAUSE YOU FKERS NEVER LEARN!!!
And can't do 2+2!

That is because you are imbeciles.
They have made you imbeciles on purpose!
They are making you imbeciles since your birth, by not giving you a proper education and by brainwashing you with their media on daily basis.
You just don't notice that, but "sad, but true"!

So, back to your questions.

if they were arming them "to kill ethnic Russians" why the hell didn't that happen??

Who told you it didn't happen?!

Right after the coup, new Kiev authorities have proposed a law to ban the Russian language completely (90% of Ukranian poplation are Russian speakers and about an half of Ukranian population are ethnic Russians, living on the historically RUSSIAN territories, gifted to Ukraine by Russian Tzars and inhuman Bolshevicks) and then sent an army to suppress the Donbass region, which had uprised against the inconstitutional coup of Maidan.

And they have killed and terrorized the civilian Russian population on purpose!

15 thousand killed civilians is a number from nowhere. The real casualities among Donbass civilians are greater.
They have come to Donbass in 2014 with the only one goal - to clear this territory from the local Russian population. Period.
You (The Westerners) whine that they have killed so few and didn't succeed back then?
Well, that is because we didn't let them to do so and crushed the motherfkers so hard, that they ran with tail between their legs begging for mercy at Minsk.

That is the answer.​

Why if they wanted to kill ethnic Russians did they pour the overwhelming majority of their shells into the closed Donetsk Airport and into rural battlefields than into Donetsk itself or at least ethnic Russian towns of any size?

That is a lie of Western propaganda!
Ukranian did and still do hit civilian targets intentionally to terrorize the population.
On a mass scale!​
Every day!
They are intentionally killing women and children using YOUR WEAPONS!!!
You bloody motherfkers!!!

If Russia Evacuated kids from "a Ukrainian advance" they'd be safe back in Western Ukraine with family members via Belarus, Turkey, the Baltics, or any number of other routes to get them home.

I bet you are not aware of the fact that most of the Ukranian refugees had fled to Russia, not to EU!
How can you explain that more Ukranian people had fled to Russia, who is a "bloody agressor", than fled to the West, who is an "holy ally and saviour" (a master of stupid nazi Ukranian cannon fodder)?​​

[Berzerker]

Geronimo said the vote didn't meet the constitutional requirements and the coup was the massacre...the coup was the massacre. Given what happened and how Ukrainians felt about it notwithstanding your assessment, how did you get the moral high ground to send armed Nazis to kill them?

[Berzerker]

So I guess you think the Russians have the high ground now as they kill and rape the people you claim they are fighting for.

Rape is not self defense

[Serb]

So I guess you think the Russians have the high ground now as they kill and rape the people you claim they are fighting for.

You have no fking idea what you are talking about.
Your universe is upside down.

[PLATO]

Actually the Vote was totally legal under the Ukrainian constitution. For it to have been a coup, then there would have had to have been a subversion of the government...there was not. The legislature was intact, took action, and a new leader was chosen. All constitutional so no "coup". Once again (for probably the 1000th time) the "Nazi" thing has been totally debunked. You continue to spout nothing but propaganda and refuse to see facts.

[BlackCat]

Interesting discussion of the opening of delivering F16's ti Ukraine