Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

https://youtu.be/Sw0aZFYdGwo

Nato secy general admits rejecting draft treaty to spare Ukraine this war

propaganda and narratives... This is why BluAnon is more misinformed than QAnon

WTF would NATO sign a treaty forbidding Ukraine from ever joining? Already, in Annexing Crimea Putin already had violated the United Nations Charter, the1975 Helsinki Final Act: and the 1997 Russian-Ukrainian Friendship Treaty - just to mention fully binding treaties to say nothing of written commitments like the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances. In signing the treaty in an attempt to placate an unapologetic treaty breaker still in office what possible safety would that have offered to Ukrainians? Anybody in NATO could have literally officially wiped their dirty arses with any draft treaty and it would not extend the tiniest culpability to them for any of Russia's actions. In any case, since logically the the only way that Russia could carry out a threat to invade Ukraine intended to coerce NATO into compliance would be by overtly breaking several treaties, what value would signing the treaty possibly have for NATO since the other party has already indicated that it does not recognize treaties as providing any constraint on its actions? It would be incredibly stupid to sign any treaty in response to a promise to refrain from a certain treaty breaking behavior.


Anyway when you said "draft treaty" I thought you were referring to the quasi-fictional early 2022 draft treaty that supposedly made Putin leave Kiev. You talk about that far more often. Please provide more context.

[Geronimo]

Well, aside from arming fine people in 2014 to kill ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine I can see more dots. But consider that for a minute, if Russia and/or China got control of the Mexican govt and armed "nationalists" to kill people along our border (actually we created the cartels with Joe's drug war) wouldn't people see they are trying to provoke the US into defending those people or attacking their killers or both? Southwest Americans especially would be demanding Biden protect their kin on the other side of the border. Eastern Ukrainians were begging Russia for help and got only enough to
stop Kiev's advance. Putin repeatedly rejected their efforts to leave Ukraine and/or join Russia.

So if we ignore Ukrainian history from 2014-22 and all those moderate Ukrainians constantly hailing cabs we still have the admission of Nato's secy gen that Biden rejected Russia's offer of peace shortly before ramping up an invasion force in the winter of '21-22. And ofc he's done nothing at all to promote peace, instead he blew up a pipeline polluting the Baltic Sea and ramped up the war instead of pursuing peace in the spring of '22. Nope, he sent Boris over to read the riot act to Zelensky days after Russia withdrew from Kiev. Course western media lied about that too, cant have the world thinking peace was knocking at the door and Brandon shot the peacemakers.

What has Biden done to prevent this war? Trump prevented it, why did Biden fail so badly? Trump negotiated peace in Afghanistan and had us scheduled to leave in the spring before the fighting season. Biden comes in and delays the withdrawal into the fighting season, leaves behind a massive arsenal for the Taliban, and gives them control of security in Kabul for the evacuation and we see how that turned out. Biden's competing with Bush for worst president this century. Not surprisingly he was instrumental in lying us into Shrub's invasion of Iraq.

Where did Azov or any other Ukrainian originating formation *ever* indicate, even internally, killing ethnic Russians was a goal? If that *was* a goal why did Russia pass the Ukrainian Nazi 8+ years of ethnic Russian kill totals so soon after the start of the special operation?

if killing ethnic Russians was anybody's goal with state funding it would have gotten a lot farther a lot faster than maximum 14k after 8 years (assuming all casualties were purely people killed because they were ethnic Russians).

I can't believe you fall for this absurd BS Berz..

If I suspected a Russian or Chinese plot to provoke a war with Mexico by killing people along the US border I sure as hell would not accept the US annexing parts of Mexico and attempting to erase Mexico as a country. OMG. The first thing I'd do is avoid war with Mexico. That would be especially easy if 100% of all of the deaths were in Mexico. especially if it was a maximum of 14k casualties from all losses on all sides of the conflicts in Mexico over 8+ years. How can you not see that Putin fighting in Ukraine would be stupid if you're right? The only eastern Ukrainians "begging" for help were known FSB agents. Not even Ukraine born, much less the Donbas.

You claim Ukraine is a puppet of the US. What kind of puppet would be better controlled with a visit from Boris? How does that make any sense whatsoever? Is there any leverage or control over the puppet that a visit from Boris could possibly enhance?

If Trump had pulled out of Afghanistan (as he planned) and not pulled a U-turn as soon as the Taliban started to seize control, I daresay Putin would have invaded while Trump was president as well.

[Ming]

Gee... calling Biden "Brandon" sure shows your biases... Blaming Biden for the Drug Wars and creating the Cartels...
And you keep talking about this supposed peace deal? Exactly what was it? Was it one that would have left Ukraine's border intact or was it some massive land steal by Russia... Please provide us with a copy of this supposed deal... and some actual proof that Biden wanted a war.
You still seem to want to show Russia as some kind of good guy who was just trying to protect people, instead of a land grabbing empire who killed and raped the people they claim they were protecting.

[Geronimo]

Biden wanted this war... aint that obvious by now? Yes, Boris showed up in Ukraine for a 1 on 1 with Zelensky to nix the peace deal. Or did he arrive to tell him Biden supported the peace deal? Which one do you think is most likely?

if Biden obviously wanted this war (however we come to that whacky conclusion) why didn't he want the war in Afghanistan? Even if Biden *did* want this war what difference would that make if Putin *didn't* want it?

[Berzerker]

Well, aside from arming fine people in 2014 to kill ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine I can see more dots. But consider that for a minute, if Russia and/or China got control of the Mexican govt and armed "nationalists" to kill people along our border (actually we created the cartels with Joe's drug war) wouldn't people see they are trying to provoke the US into defending those people or attacking their killers or both? Southwest Americans especially would be demanding Biden protect their kin on the other side of the border. Eastern Ukrainians were begging Russia for help and got only enough to
stop Kiev's advance. Putin repeatedly rejected their efforts to leave Ukraine and/or join Russia.

So if we ignore Ukrainian history from 2014-22 and all those moderate Ukrainians constantly hailing cabs we still have the admission of Nato's secy gen that Biden rejected Russia's offer of peace shortly before ramping up an invasion force in the winter of '21-22. And ofc he's done nothing at all to promote peace, instead he blew up a pipeline polluting the Baltic Sea and ramped up the war instead of pursuing peace in the spring of '22. Nope, he sent Boris over to read the riot act to Zelensky days after Russia withdrew from Kiev. Course western media lied about that too, cant have the world thinking peace was knocking at the door and Brandon shot the peacemakers.

What has Biden done to prevent this war? Trump prevented it, why did Biden fail so badly? Trump negotiated peace in Afghanistan and had us scheduled to leave in the spring before the fighting season. Biden comes in and delays the withdrawal into the fighting season, leaves behind a massive arsenal for the Taliban, and gives them control of security in Kabul for the evacuation and we see how that turned out. Biden's competing with Bush for worst president this century. Not surprisingly he was instrumental in lying us into Shrub's invasion of Iraq.

[Ming]

Just sprouting your opinion as usual... with no facts to actually support them.
Please provide your "evidence" that Biden wanted war... Oh, that' right, you can't.. All you can do is make silly assumptions.

[Berzerker]

Are you still pushing that alt right conspiracy theory... Well, I guess you will parrot whatever you see in a video.

Biden wanted this war... aint that obvious by now? Yes, Boris showed up in Ukraine for a 1 on 1 with Zelensky to nix the peace deal. Or did he arrive to tell him Biden supported the peace deal? Which one do you think is most likely?

[BeBMan]

That Tender twitter has clearly stolen what I wrote in post 3112

He added more words

[Ming]

Are you still pushing that alt right conspiracy theory... Well, I guess you will parrot whatever you see in a video.

[Berzerker]

would that be the same 95% avoiding the war?

[Berzerker]

Right, just like Stalingrad was not an attempt to capture the city, just an attempt to pressure Stalin into negotiating. When negotiations broke down, the Nazis retreated.

Also, the one that magically failed when Boris' presence magically turned 95% of Ukrainians against peace with Russia.

well then, Boris' presence wasn't needed

analogies lol

[BlackCat]

That Tender twitter has clearly stolen what I wrote in post 3112

[Geronimo]

I hope I don't have to watch 25 minutes of video to see him say that NATO rejected Ukraine and Russia's draft treaty.

[BeBMan]

According to this the Avdiivka​ thing is already the best offensive evah:

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1713520368151941558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1713520368151941558%7Ctwgr%5E0b74bb36614dd5a29172c20d877a1f4b3b4acc00%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.civfanatics.com%2Fthreads%2Frussia-invades-ukraine-the-7th-thread-itch-scratch-it-here.684097%2Fpage-169

No idea how valid this is in detail, but time will tell.

[N35t0r]

Right, just like Stalingrad was not an attempt to capture the city, just an attempt to pressure Stalin into negotiating. When negotiations broke down, the Nazis retreated.

Also, the one that magically failed when Boris' presence magically turned 95% of Ukrainians against peace with Russia.