Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[PLATO]

The guy was democratically elected and fled for his life after he was blamed for 100+ people killed in a right wing coup. Vote against us and we will murder people, free and democratic. The people who did that went around killing dissidents and they attacked eastern Ukrainians who overwhelmingly voted for the man for not supporting their coup. Those are the facts as I know them. Its bizarre how people outraged by Jan 6 have no problem with a bloodbath in Kiev and arming Nazis to go on a rampage.

Okay Berz...I am beginning to wonder about your cognitive abilities here. The former President of Ukraine was removed from office using a Constitutional process by the Parliament elected at the same time he was.

Pretty easy to understand. This makes it NOT a coup.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. I guess you just keep spouting it in the hopes people won't do the research on what really happened?

[Dinner]

This video is for Berz.

https://youtu.be/Rh4QU7hxKVg

[Geronimo]

I'm talking about the people of the Donbas. If Putin's little green men were in charge why did they support Minsk? The deal kept the Donbas in Ukraine. And the only guns pointed at Ukrainians were held by Azov, they showed up to attack eastern Ukraine. Putin limited his response to defending them, not attacking Kiev.

Putin's little green men were to establish a frozen conflict that Putin hoped he could leverage to weaken ukraine at minimal cost to Russia.

Putins little green men (actually just Putin himself perhaps since nobody else is permitted to express an original thought on foreign policy) wanted Minsk to get the UA out of Donbas so he could start the special operation with that much more of a head start.

Putin has broken every treaty and agreement with Ukraine. I find it laughable that you conflate him signing a treaty as him accepting, let alone endorsing its terms.

For Putin, treaties are just a weapon to use against lesser gullible powers.

[Berzerker]

https://youtu.be/mS8YOjvUtJc

Ukrainian kill lists... cuz they love freedom and democracy

[Berzerker]

The Ukrainians had hundreds of thousands of guns to their heads.

Why do suppose Iraq agreed to UNSC 687 and 689? It wasn't because the Saddam Hussein regime thought they were a good idea they wanted to line up behind. If there was any support of the Iraqi people for either resolution it would have been in hopes of end to the war.

The Ukrainians also hoped something, anything agreed to in the Minsk agreement would be delivered by the Russians and their Separatist puppets led by at that time by Moscow born and previously resident FSB agents who had never previously lived in the Donbas. The Ukrainians would be completely disappointed. Russia, despite demanding a seat at the table of the Minsk "negotiations" actually immediately publicly and officially declared they were bound by nothing in the agreements whatsoever. Per Minsk, the Separatists were to be disarmed and Russia was immediately discovered shipping more arms to the Separatists and never stopped.

Ukraine never supported any version of Minsk that Russia was willing to even give lip service to, let alone that Russia would actually respect.

I'm talking about the people of the Donbas. If Putin's little green men were in charge why did they support Minsk? The deal kept the Donbas in Ukraine. And the only guns pointed at Ukrainians were held by Azov, they showed up to attack eastern Ukraine. Putin limited his response to defending them, not attacking Kiev.

[Geronimo]

Then why did they support Minsk?

The Ukrainians had hundreds of thousands of guns to their heads.

Why do suppose Iraq agreed to UNSC 687 and 689? It wasn't because the Saddam Hussein regime thought they were a good idea they wanted to line up behind. If there was any support of the Iraqi people for either resolution it would have been in hopes of end to the war.

The Ukrainians also hoped something, anything agreed to in the Minsk agreement would be delivered by the Russians and their Separatist puppets led by at that time by Moscow born and previously resident FSB agents who had never previously lived in the Donbas. The Ukrainians would be completely disappointed. Russia, despite demanding a seat at the table of the Minsk "negotiations" actually immediately publicly and officially declared they were bound by nothing in the agreements whatsoever. Per Minsk, the Separatists were to be disarmed and Russia was immediately discovered shipping more arms to the Separatists and never stopped.

Ukraine never supported any version of Minsk that Russia was willing to even give lip service to, let alone that Russia would actually respect.

[Berzerker]

Technically I'm actually a bit wrong - the Ukrainans have actually shelled a lot of russians in the Donbas area, they all was of the type called "little green men" aka russian military units without their correct distinctions, and that certainly made them legal targets.

Then why did they support Minsk?

[Berzerker]

Excuse me, but are you a total idiot ? Ukraine is most certainly a free democracy, especially since they kicked out the russian oligarc.

The guy was democratically elected and fled for his life after he was blamed for 100+ people killed in a right wing coup. Vote against us and we will murder people, free and democratic. The people who did that went around killing dissidents and they attacked eastern Ukrainians who overwhelmingly voted for the man for not supporting their coup. Those are the facts as I know them. Its bizarre how people outraged by Jan 6 have no problem with a bloodbath in Kiev and arming Nazis to go on a rampage.

[BlackCat]

Technically I'm actually a bit wrong - the Ukrainans have actually shelled a lot of russians in the Donbas area, they all was of the type called "little green men" aka russian military units without their correct distinctions, and that certainly made them legal targets.

[BlackCat]

A coup is not an excuse to kill dissidents, thats one documented evil thing. Shelling the people of the Donbas for 8 years is another. How did they respond when Azov attacked them? They asked Putin for help.

Yup, you are an idiot - there are no evidence that Ukraine has shelled their own people in Donbas - that is a fantasy made up of Putin and his cronies.

[BlackCat]

I would object if the USA forced them to live under Putin, but we're not arming Putin to attack them and Ukraine is not a free democracy. How about we let them decide?

Excuse me, but are you a total idiot ? Ukraine is most certainly a free democracy, especially since they kicked out the russian oligarc.

[Berzerker]

It's about time. At least evil Azov has an excuse for being in Crimea.

By the way, what documented evil things has Azov done? What documented evil things have their enemies done?

A coup is not an excuse to kill dissidents, thats one documented evil thing. Shelling the people of the Donbas for 8 years is another. How did they respond when Azov attacked them? They asked Putin for help.

[Berzerker]

Ah, you seem to prefer that those people live in a dictatorial rule made by putin instead of a free democracy.

I would object if the USA forced them to live under Putin, but we're not arming Putin to attack them and Ukraine is not a free democracy. How about we let them decide?

[Geronimo]

The USA will force the people of Crimea and the Donbas to live under the rule of Azov

wtf

It's about time. At least evil Azov has an excuse for being in Crimea.

By the way, what documented evil things has Azov done? What documented evil things have their enemies done?

[BlackCat]

The USA will force the people of Crimea and the Donbas to live under the rule of Azov

wtf

Ah, you seem to prefer that those people live in a dictatorial rule made by putin instead of a free democracy.