An actual political thread

[Kidlicious]

Tbose are two great journalists. Olbermann was right back then but now he's one of the bad guys.

[Berzerker]

he's a partisan, even back when Iraq was the issue he spared the Democrats his wrath and now he's a censor in perfect line with the corporations and party apparatus

[Kidlicious]

Joe Rogan took horse medicine. Now he's a suicide bomber.

[giblets]

We never hear of this Rachel Maddow here in Australia so I have absolutely no idea what her views are on any topic. Should I be pleased about that?

She's a liberal and a woman, two things Kid hates.

[Aeson]

I'm agnostic on ivermectin's efficacy, but in the name of basic decency: y'all have no idea how often actual doctors will just throw whatever they got at a disease based on the slenderest possible evidence. At least half the neb treatments I give are for patients who won't benefit (the most common reason for ordering this stuff is "placebo"), and when it comes to treating COVID they'll prescribe eye of newt because their wives saw a youtube video or some ****. Like pulmozyme/dornase alpha. It's for cystic fibrosis; there's no reason you'd expect it to help with COVID. I've still known docs to try it. Pulmonologists, even. Because when you just know the poor SOB will be dead in three days, you have nothing to lose.

As for ivermectin itself: there's no reason why, naively, you'd expect an anti-parasite drug to help with a virus. I haven't looked into the evidence at all, personally. But it's not that unusual for one drug to have multiple, totally unrelated indications. Spironolactone is a potassium-sparing diuretic which is also often used in male-to-female transitions. Acetylcysteine is an antidote for acetaminophen overdose, but it's also inhaled to break up thick mucus (I'm not convinced it works for the latter, and the clinical evidence is supposedly thin, but there are plenty of doctors who disagree!) And hydroxychloroquine--remember that?--has two major, commonly accepted indications: malaria (parasitic infection) and various autoimmune conditions like lupus. So what the hell, try the heartworm drug. Why not.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7577703/

Ivermectin was known to have anti-viral activity against a range of viruses (HIV, dengue, etc) well before Covid, which is probably why it was tried. That a promising treatment was not investigated thoroughly ASAP back in April 2020 seems to suggest the pharmaceutical industry and their political stooges may not have our best interests in mind. Shocking I know...

We use the injectable (just added to food) for our dogs to control mange. Not a bad thing to have on hand if any you care about are at risk, or a new variant starts killing the young/healthy or vaccinated.

Budesonide too.

[Jon Miller]

A lot of things have been tried since early 2020 and continue to be tried. People not accepting something that works to try something unproven is problematic.

The medical field seems to strongly oppose not expert trying things. Notoriously this might have played a role in the initial pushback against masks by the medical establishment.

Somethings were tried, initially it seemed like they wouldn’t work, then like they would, now it is generally accepted that they don’t. Think that malaria/lupus drug.

There are a lot of things to try. Many have been tried. It is hard to have any conclusions without scientific studies.

JM

[Kidlicious]

She's a liberal and a woman, two things Kid hates.

Edit: Deleted because it was uncivil.

[Kidlicious]

A lot of things have been tried since early 2020 and continue to be tried. People not accepting something that works to try something unproven is problematic.

The medical field seems to strongly oppose not expert trying things. Notoriously this might have played a role in the initial pushback against masks by the medical establishment.

Somethings were tried, initially it seemed like they wouldn’t work, then like they would, now it is generally accepted that they don’t. Think that malaria/lupus drug.

There are a lot of things to try. Many have been tried. It is hard to have any conclusions without scientific studies.

JM

It's hard to trust liars.

[Kidlicious]

A Florida man has been indicted for extorting Congressman Matt Gaetz's family. Crazy.

[Aeson]

A lot of things have been tried since early 2020 and continue to be tried. People not accepting something that works to try something unproven is problematic.

The medical field seems to strongly oppose not expert trying things. Notoriously this might have played a role in the initial pushback against masks by the medical establishment.

Somethings were tried, initially it seemed like they wouldn’t work, then like they would, now it is generally accepted that they don’t. Think that malaria/lupus drug.

There are a lot of things to try. Many have been tried. It is hard to have any conclusions without scientific studies.

JM

https://c19ivermectin.com/

113 studies now. 73 peer reviewed. 62 are with placebo.

[BeBMan]

If everyone is getting boosters ppl may be able to reach low orbits all on their own.

[Kidlicious]

Eight months in jail and counting for obstructing while the media and government vilify you.

Jacob Chansley Pleads Guilty to Obstruction, Remains in Jail

Chansley already has been in jail for nearly eight months.
By Julie Kelly

September 5, 2021
Jacob Chansley, arguably the most iconic figure of the January 6 protest at the U.S. Capitol, today pleaded guilty to one count of obstruction of an official proceeding.

Chansley, 33, turned himself in to law enforcement and was arrested on January 9. A grand jury indicted Chansley two days later on six nonviolent counts including obstruction, civil disorder, and “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building.” The remaining counts will be dropped.

Judge Royce Lamberth accepted Chansely’s plea agreement with Joe Biden’s Justice Department, which continues to arrest and charge Americans for even minor involvement in the Capitol protest. Nearly 200 defendants face the obstruction charge, a felony added to mostly misdemeanor cases. (I explained the charge here in March.)

Lawyers for some January 6 defendants are challenging the charge in court, insisting it does not apply to political protests or the certification of the Electoral College. One federal judge last month warned prosecutors the obstruction charge suffers from a “constitutional vagueness problem.”

Several defendants have pleaded guilty to obstruction; in July, Paul Hodgkins, who was with Chansley in the Senate chamber on January 6, pleaded guilty. Like Chansley, Hodgkins has no criminal record and was not accused of committing any violent crime. Biden’s Justice Department wanted Hodgkins imprisoned for 18 months, describing the Trump supporter as a “domestic terrorist”; Hodgkins’ lawyer asked for probation. Judge Randolph Moss sentenced Hodgkins to eight months in prison.

Chansley already has been in jail for nearly eight months, which means if Judge Lamberth reaches the same sentencing decision as Judge Moss, Chansley will have served out his sentence prior to his plea.

Lamberth at least twice denied Chansley’s release even after ordering Chansley to undergo a psychological examination in May. Albert Watkins, Chanlsey’s attorney, informed the court that his client, like so many January 6 defendants, had been in solitary confinement conditions for “22 or 23 hours a day.”


In July, Judge Lamberth, a Ronald Reagan appointee, refused to release Chansley despite his awareness of Chansley’s serious mental health issues. “While the court takes seriously defense counsel’s representation that Chansley’s mental health has declined while in jail . . . the Court will not revisit its prior finding that no conditions of release would reasonably prevent him from fleeing,” Lamberth wrote in his ruling.

Joe Biden’s Justice Department still wants to keep Chansley behind bars until his sentencing hearing on November 17. Assistant U.S. Attorney Kimberly Paschall, the prosecutor handling the case, asked Lamberth to deny the motion for release, claiming she had “concerns over the safety of [his] community.”

Lamberth did not rule on the motion today but told Watkins he would rule as soon as possible.

[Ming]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

[self biased]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Kidlicious]

You sound like fascists.