Happy Easter

[Kidlicious]

Believing in fantasy is not logical... because without facts, your beliefs are simply a fantasy, you fantasy, but still a fantasy.

No one is talking about believing in fantasy but you, because you are making things up. I'm talking about believing in God. That's not fantasy. You are making things up, lying.

[Ming]

When people can prove God exists... but until then, it is a Fantasy, no different then unicorns, easter bunny, santa and a host of other "BELIEFS"
God may not be a fantasy to you, but for many, it is. And you have no facts to back up your fantasy.

[Kidlicious]

When people can prove God exists... but until then, it is a Fantasy.

no

[Ming]

Gee... there are many many many different religions... and many believe in their true god.
Which one is right?
They can't all be right?

So your one words denials aren't cutting it. Believing in something with NO BASIS of FACT is illogical. Plain and simple.
Saying no over and over again doesn't change that there are no facts to support your beliefs, or for people who believe in different gods...

[Kidlicious]

Believing in God and a religion isn't illogical. You are making things up. You are using words incorrectly.

[Ming]

Believing in something that can't be proved is not logical... Believing in God/Religion is no different than believing in other things that can't be proved or are made up fantasies like Santa and the Easter Bunny. It simply isn't logical, no matter how many times you claim it is.
Only 31% of religious people believe in Jesus as the son of God... The majority of religious people don't. Who is right... they can't all be?
There is no LOGIC in believing something that doesn't have any basis of fact to support it.

[Kidlicious]

It's not logical to believe in fantasies. Religions are not fantasies. Please review the relevant vocabulary.

[Jon Miller]

Fantasy is not the correct way to refer to any religion (including Scientology). Fantasy is agreed upon as being not true, anything that a group of people believe in is by definition not Fantasy.

A lot of reality consists of things for which there doesn't (and generally, can't) exist proof, including the existence of Homer/etc. That doesn't mean that we should be confused about reality and fantasy.

Please, let's not confuse and invalidate the meaning of words. I am not saying this just because I am Christian, I would be saying the same if it was about Hinduism or Scientology.

Myth and legend is suitably malleable. If you want to imply that a specific set of beliefs are lacking in basis, intellectual rigor, or anything similar use one of those words. After all, Troy was a myth and then we found it. It was never fantasy.

JM
(And some myths were never part of reality.)

[Ming]

When you can prove that God does exist. (and which exact god for that matter), then it isn't a fantasy.
Until then, it is.
You are welcome to your personal beliefs... all power to you. But it is NOT logical to believe in something that can't be proved. Because it is, just like believing in Santa.. a belief, a fantasy... and totally illogical.

[Ming]

Fantasy is not the correct way to refer to any religion (including Scientology). Fantasy is agreed upon as being not true, anything that a group of people believe in is by definition not Fantasy.

A lot of reality consists of things for which there doesn't (and generally, can't) exist proof, including the existence of Homer/etc. That doesn't mean that we should be confused about reality and fantasy.

Please, let's not confuse and invalidate the meaning of words. I am not saying this just because I am Christian, I would be saying the same if it was about Hinduism or Scientology.

JM

Children believe in Santa... and that is a fantasy.
I can understand why you want to ignore the fact that there is no proof of God, and that it is illogical to believe in something that can't be proved, because you personally believe.
But just because some people in a specific God, doesn't make it true and doesn't change that the fact that it is indeed a fantasy.

[Kidlicious]

When you can prove that God does exist. (and which exact god for that matter), then it isn't a fantasy.
Until then, it is.
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This is a false statement that you keep repeating as fact.

[Jon Miller]

Everyone, even scientists, believe in all sorts of things that can't be proved. We can't prove right or wrong. We can't prove beauty. We can't prove that the sun hasn't exploded while I wrote this (although we will be able to proof that it didn't in a relatively short while).

Not only that, but no one understands the even a small part of science. There are all sorts of assumptions all over science, and even for the steps without assumptions those who are not scientists still have to take the reality of it on faith (Faith in the scientific process, faith in the empirical endeavor, faith in scientists).

The requirement of scientific proof to claim that something isn't fantasy isn fundamentally untenable, even by scientists. It is irrational.

JM

[Uncle Sparky]

I believe it is time for Kidiot to reinvent his persona again. No longer read him... too predictable and dull.

[Berzerker]

That's circular logic. You believe that Jesus lives eternally but you don't believe that an atheist can have eternal life. Your beliefs aren't logically consistant.

The atheist doesn't believe they have eternal life, so they made their sacrifice believing it was over, game over, man. That makes their sacrifice greater than a son of god who will be right back.

[Berzerker]

I'll shut up about religion

happy easter

[Jon Miller]

But just because some people in a specific God, doesn't make it true and doesn't change that the fact that it is indeed a fantasy.

Where did I claim that it makes it true? Something being true or false is different than it being fantasy.

Science and rational philosophy leaves questions that it hasn't answered as unknowns. It takes an agnostic approach, whether it is about God or the existence of a black hole in our solar system. Now many scientists would consider the question of the existence of God as fundamentally uninteresting because they can't imagine how it could be proven scientifically or could be relevant to their scientific understanding of the world. And that is reasonable.

But that is very different than saying that everything that isn't proved is fantasy.

JM
(I know that I am confusing a bit the scientific approach, philosophical approach and the common approach. For the common approach fantasy depends on what people beleive independent of rational inquiry. In common language, which is probably the most important approach, fantasy holds for things which are accepted as not being part of reality. And as such anything that any significant group of people believe in is by definition not fantasy.)