Democrats will stand trial for inciting violence.

[Jon Miller]

The closest to this, where someone on the left was at fault, was correctly remembered by Kid (I had forgotten) and was when a left-wing activist attacked Republican congressmen at a baseball game.

This was also trying to change government through violence, and... while not a coup attempt and not at all supported or incited by Democratic politicians and not the action of a group... was a sign of brokenness on the left.

JM

[-Jrabbit]

That was one wackadoo. It was a sick act by a bad guy.
Hardly comparable to Trump's 2 months of machination attempting to overturn the election results, culminating in 1/6.

[Kidlicious]

No. He actually shot people you lunatic.

[-Jrabbit]

Jeez, learn how to read.

[BeBMan]

Shall we take a look at the Democrats' inflammatory rhetoric over that time frame? Hell, Trump's inauguration was met by a riot and Democrats weren't lecturing us about peaceful transitions of power.

Could we skip this non-argument for something substantial?

Apart from the usual whataboutism - which is listed under fallacies for a reason, and which jr noted already:

"Context matters" is not a new "democratic/liberal/BLM/Antifa" invention, it is what would be looked at in any case. You are completely ignoring the actual situation, and esp. the consequences.

[Kidlicious]

Trump had nothing to do with this. This is stupid, and a false accusation, both against Trump and against every Trump supporter, since only some of the people there had some sort of intention to commit serious crimes. Most of the people, including those entering the building were just protesting.

So again, this is false accusations, and wicked as ****. You people want to take this trial seriously like you are learning something? They are ****ing liars, and you are either a liar too, or you are stupid.

[Kidlicious]

It was not fundamentally wrong for the Trumpists to go protest in front of the Capitol. It was fundamentally wrong for them to attack the Capitol with the intention of forcing lawmakers (to in this case behave in unlawful ways).

A protest can become a riot due to interaction with the police (and depending it can either be the fault of the protestors or the police). That isn't what happened on the 6th. The protestors, at least some of them, started attacking the Capitol with the intent of staging a coup.

JM
(I do believe that some who were coming to protest ended up continuing on inside ands so taking part in the coup attempt. I do think that they should be changed with serious crimes... but maybe not as serious as insurrection or as domestic terrorists.)

All riots are the same. They are basically low level terrorism, not a coup. You are listening to brainwashers and they are making a fool out of all of you. This was a protest/riot, just like all the leftist riots. Some people there intended to commit more serious crimes, just like at all the leftist riots. The only difference is the media hysteria over one and the promotion on the other.

[Kidlicious]

Is anyone charge with sedition or anything? Looks like people are being charged with entering unlawfully. Damnit. You people listen to the news and politicians and believe anything. It's absolutely pitiful.

[-Jrabbit]

Dude, you keep confusing charges against protesters with the impeachment charge against Trump. Focus, man, focus.

[Proteus_MST]

...
Most of the people, including those entering the building were just protesting.
...

They didn't have any business entering the building.
All of those "protesters" who entered the Capitol are, at least, guilty of unlawful entry.
(and lots of them are guilty of more)

[Proteus_MST]

All riots are the same. They are basically low level terrorism, not a coup. ...

So, Trump incited the protesters to commit low level terrorism?

[BeBMan]

So, Trump incited the protesters to commit low level terrorism?

Maybe high level would be Trump himself, the lynchmob was just really low...

[Kidlicious]

They didn't have any business entering the building.
All of those "protesters" who entered the Capitol are, at least, guilty of unlawful entry.
(and lots of them are guilty of more)

1) No. The police let a lot of them in. Only an authoritarian would demand they be charged with a crime.

2) No, only a small group is guilty of worse crimes, such as vandalism. You are falsely accusing people to make the government more powerful to oppress people.

[Kidlicious]

Could we skip this non-argument for something substantial?

Apart from the usual whataboutism - which is listed under fallacies for a reason, and which jr noted already:

"Context matters" is not a new "democratic/liberal/BLM/Antifa" invention, it is what would be looked at in any case. You are completely ignoring the actual situation, and esp. the consequences.

Ok so he used a whataboutism and you are guilty of hypocrisy. So what?

[BeBMan]

You didn't stop lying when you were given the chance so I only waste my time with you for amusement from time to time

[Kidlicious]

You waste your time with talking about whataboutism when you are identified as a hypocrite.

[Jon Miller]

1) No. The police let a lot of them in. Only an authoritarian would demand they be charged with a crime.

that is now how things work

2) No, only a small group is guilty of worse crimes, such as vandalism. You are falsely accusing people to make the government more powerful to oppress people.

many were involved in violence and intent matters in such a case as does the fact of the intention of violence against lawmakers

it was exactly, up to the minutes away from Pence, of what happens in coups

JM

[Jon Miller]

I was comparing the radical left activitist with the radical right activists involved in the coup attempt, not with Trump.

JM

[Kidlicious]

This was not an attempt to overthrow the government. You're being ridiculous. They were trying to get the government to do what they want, which is a protest. Some people rioted, vandalism etc. I didn't see any serious violence so since the people waging these accusations are damn liars I assume that's bull**** as well. How many are charged with violence? What evidence do you have of serious violence?