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  • #46
    So, the temp is supposed to break 35 C this weekend in Winnipeg, one of the coldest cities on earth... It has hit 40 C a few times, but very rare.
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    • #47
      Just for a brief glance at the particulars of the topic:

      Grazing land: 3.5 billion hectares
      Arable land under cultivation: 1.5 billion hectares
      Deserts: 2 billion hectares

      <1000kg/y to feed an American (~2/3 of that for worldwide average)
      1 kg/sq m/y (which is a rather low yield) feeds 10 Americans per hectare
      Number of American style diet heaps of food we can grow on 5 billion hectares at 1kg/sq m/y = 50 billion

      Tropical forest sequesters ~200 metric tons of carbon per hectare
      Temperate forest sequesters up to 750 metric tons of carbon per hectare
      (both can do better when managed, with excess wood harvested and turned into durable goods or biochar)
      5 billion hectares of new forest will sequester >= 1 trillion metric tons of carbon
      Approximate net increase in carbon in the atmosphere since Industrial revolution ... 1 trillion metric tons

      Number of people of working age not working a job worldwide: 2.4 billion
      Number of people working in agriculture worldwide: 1 billion
      Number of potential jobs to plant and manage 5 billion hectares of food forest: 5 billion+

      Many other benefits too. Forests regulate humidity and temperatures. Shading soil to protect soil life and increase nutrient availability. Bringing nutrients from deep to the surface. Increasing rainfall. Increasing rain soaking into the soil (and eventually recharging aquifers). Decreasing soil compaction from heavy rain. Decreasing runoff and erosion. Better diet for those who eat the output (avoids most of the nutrient poor high carb crap that causes most of the health problems in the world). Better working conditions for those who work in them (shaded, light exercise, clean air).

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      • #48
        Perhaps the most important one though ...

        Number of corporations who won't gleefully automate away your job when computers/AI/robotics are capable of taking over: 0
        Number of corporations who control your economic destiny if you are self sufficient and debt free on your own land at > 1 ha/head: 0

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        • #49
          Originally posted by BBC
          Cows allowed to visit Swedish nudist beaches in heatwave

          The government in southern Sweden have granted permission for cows to visit nudist beaches during the prolonged summer heatwave, despite complaints from locals, it's reported.



          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-new...where-45144424
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          • Uncle Sparky
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            Those cows are wearing leather!!!

        • #50
          Nudity and cow patties make for a disgusting mix.
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          • #51
            Cows allowed to visit Swedish nudist beaches in heatwave
            Fat shaming
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            • #52
              Isn't steak always nude?
              Blah

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              • #53
                Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                Perhaps the most important one though ...

                Number of corporations who won't gleefully automate away your job when computers/AI/robotics are capable of taking over: 0
                Number of corporations who control your economic destiny if you are self sufficient and debt free on your own land at > 1 ha/head: 0
                The latter one unfortunately may be wrong:
                Your land is part of a country and subject to the countries laws ... the country is governed by politicians ... politicians are sponsored by corporations (or people affiliated with them) ... if a politician is elected he will do the politics that will benefit his donors, even more so if the country is the USA and the politician belongs to the GOP.

                Trumps presidency actually gives a good example how you may be affected by this:
                Scott Pruitt and his environmental politics

                Lets say you have some dirty industry somewhere near your land and the abandonment of environmental protection laws by the EPA of Pruitt (or some successor) means that they are, again, allowed to pollute air, land and/or water with little restraint.
                In this case it may be that your cattle get sick (by drinking polluted water or eating polluted shrub) and die one after the other ... et voila, bye bye economical independence.
                Or the plants that you raise for your own consumption get polluted ... or you and/or your family get sick (and cannot afford medical treatment because Obamacare was destroyed and the other medical insurers were too expensive)
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                • #54
                  Things can change. An asteroid can hit the earth and wipe us all out. Someone can push the button. Economic collapse can be so bad that there's no social structure left to protect anyone from the roving bands of looters. But there's still a very real difference between being self sufficient or dependent in the current situation. One you may be ****ed if something unexpected changes ... the other you definitely are ****ed if things continue on as expected.

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                  • #55
                    Climate change sucks. News at 11.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #56
                      Humans destroying the planet and amplifying climate change by many times sucks even more.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #57
                        Nudists are so uptight.

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                        • #58
                          I'm happy to report that the heatwave is over for me. Now it's just standard summer weather. I bet everyone was curious about that
                          Blah

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                          • #59
                            Same here - it has started raining
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                            • #60
                              Same ... maximum temperatures were 30 °C in the sun today ... much much much better than the 37°C in the middle of the last week
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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