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**Proteus_MST** · August 21, 2018, 19:51

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

I thought he was convicted of financial crimes.

I heard Al Capone also was convicted of financial crimes

**Broken_Erika** · August 21, 2018, 19:52

Originally posted by BBC

US President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty in a Manhattan court to violating campaign finance laws.

He said he did so at the direction of "the candidate", for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election".

Mr Cohen's admission was related to hush money paid to Mr Trump's alleged mistresses.

The 51-year-old admitted eight counts, including tax and bank fraud in a plea deal with prosecutors.

Mr Cohen said he had been directed by "a candidate for federal office" - presumed to be Mr Trump himself - to break federal election laws.

The indictment against Mr Cohen carries up to 65 years in prison.

But his plea deal includes a much more lenient custodial sentence of up to five years and three months, said Judge William Pauley.

Mr Cohen has pleaded guilty to:

Five counts of tax evasion
One count of making false statements to a financial institution
One count of wilfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution
One count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate or campaign

Michael Cohen trial: Trump accused of directing hush money

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45265546

In a plea deal, Michael Cohen says he broke election funding law at the direction of "the candidate".

**pchang** · August 21, 2018, 20:00

I think Donnie will be hit with violating Federal Election Law and conspiracy first.

**Giancarlo** · August 21, 2018, 22:16

Donnys family is next to be indicted. I suspect Donny Jr is up next. The big fish below have all been indicted or plea bargained out.

The most important fact to me here is that Michael Cohen fingered Trump in violating US federal election and campaign financing laws. Trump has now been directly implicated in the violation of US law. Its over, kidiot.

**JohnT** · August 21, 2018, 22:50

Defamation case against Steele thrown out of court, is now homeless and begging for change at the intersection of I-85 and Pleasant Hill Rd in Gwinnett County, GA:

Defamation case against Christopher Steele dismissed

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45251255

A US judge rules that Russian billionaires sued to silence Christopher Steele over his dossier claims.

**JohnT** · August 21, 2018, 23:15

So to update the talley on @jules_su tweet adding the eventual Michael Cohen numbers.

Since 1965

Democrats (25 years in power):
3 indictments
1 conviction
1 prison sentence.

Republicans (28 years in power):
120 indictments
90 convictions
35 prison sentences

#winning

https://twitter.com/DannyDeraney/status/1031990621840453632?s=19

**JohnT** · August 22, 2018, 07:35

Yes, source material would be nice...

Daily Kos

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

Daily Kos is a progressive news site that fights for democracy by giving our audience information and resources to win elections and impact government. Our coverage is assiduously factual, ethical, and unapologetically liberal. We amplify what we think is important, with the proper context—not just what is happening, but how it's happening and why people should care. We give you news you can do something about.

Effectively it's a tally of all Executive branch crimes since Johnson's 1.5th term. The article mentions it starts with Nixon, but further research was added.

Here are the names:

https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1032003741090689024?s=19

**Kidlicious** · August 22, 2018, 08:22

Originally posted by pchang View Post

I think Donnie will be hit with violating Federal Election Law and conspiracy first.

The way I understand it the plea deal wasn't structured the way it would be if they planned on using Cohen as a witness. Cohen himself said that the President didn't tell him to do it. Plus he's a total sleaze.

The other matter is that the law says that you must know that you are violating the law. Cohen was his lawyer. Did Cohen tell him that it's violating the law. Don't think so.

But fake news will say otherwise because none of that helps them perpetuate the hoax.

**Kidlicious** · August 22, 2018, 08:27

Originally posted by JohnT View Post

So to update the talley on @jules_su tweet adding the eventual Michael Cohen numbers.

Since 1965

Democrats (25 years in power):
3 indictments
1 conviction
1 prison sentence.

Republicans (28 years in power):
120 indictments
90 convictions
35 prison sentences

#winning

https://twitter.com/DannyDeraney/sta...840453632?s=19

Why do you keep throwing unrelated things in this thread?

**JohnT** · August 22, 2018, 08:30

SQUIRREL!

Eh, there are none so blind as those who will not see, right, Child?

**Proteus_MST** · August 22, 2018, 08:42

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

...
The other matter is that the law says that you must know that you are violating the law. Cohen was his lawyer. Did Cohen tell him that it's violating the law. Don't think so.
....

It does?
In germany the saying goes: "Ignorance doesn't protect you from punishment"

i.e. even if you didn't know you broke a law, you will be indicted and may get punished for it (although the degree of penalty may get reduced if you can successfully prove that you broke the law without knowing it)

**JohnT** · August 22, 2018, 08:45

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

The way I understand it the plea deal wasn't structured the way it would be if they planned on using Cohen as a witness. Cohen himself said that the President didn't tell him to do it. Plus he's a total sleaze.

The other matter is that the law says that you must know that you are violating the law. Cohen was his lawyer. Did Cohen tell him that it's violating the law. Don't think so.

But fake news will say otherwise because none of that helps them perpetuate the hoax.

Tfw your best defense of the President's lawyer pleading to crimes is:

1. A lie (Cohen most definitely said the President told him to "do it")
2. Another lie (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and all that)
3. To call the President's lawyer a sleaze (who hires sleazes for lawyers?)
4. To call the President's lawyer a bad lawyer (... well, gotta admit Child, you actually got something right with this one)

**Kidlicious** · August 22, 2018, 08:53

Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

It does?
In germany the saying goes: "Ignorance doesn't protect you from punishment"

i.e. even if you didn't know you broke a law, you will be indicted and may get punished for it (although the degree of penalty may get reduced if you can successfully prove that you broke the law without knowing it)

That depends on the law. Some laws intention counts. It is the same with the law regarding Clinton email scandal, although they didn't investigate that case with the intention of prosecuting.

**rah** · August 22, 2018, 08:55

This thread title needs to be changed to "another one bites the dust"

Donnie cannot not escape some type of charges now.

I love kid's "but but he didn't know"

**Kidlicious** · August 22, 2018, 08:55

Originally posted by JohnT View Post

Tfw your best defense of the President's lawyer pleading to crimes is:

1. A lie (Cohen most definitely said the President told him to "do it")
2. Another lie (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and all that)
3. To call the President's lawyer a sleaze (who hires sleazes for lawyers?)
4. To call the President's lawyer a bad lawyer (... well, gotta admit Child, you actually got something right with this one)

Well he's not only a bad lawyer, he's a very bad person, and a liar. So they need something besides his word. Burden of proof.

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