White Texan Military Veteran goes on Shooting Rampage

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How is this thread about gun control? .

Gee Kidiot, go back and read the first few posts in the thread. They mostly are discussing gun control.. It wasn't until Ben and you came along and tried to sidetrack it, that it became about something else. Gee what a surprise.

[I AM MOBIUS]

Horse****. There are eyewitnesses that say the shooter was an "very negative atheist." How is this thread about gun control? Only you care about gun control. You know how we feel about it. You are getting our guns, period. You're the threadjacker. I'm tired of your horse**** accusations and general bull****ery.

Hey Kid, precisely what is your beef with the fact that he's a theist?

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[-Jrabbit]

The fact that the shooter was a dishonorably discharged veteran with a history of domestic violence, yet possessed an assault rifle, is far more relevant than his views on religion. No one here is denying that he was an atheist.

The key point is that the shooter should not have had access to the weapon he used. So yes, gun control is the issue.

The next time the sanctimonious, self-serving "thoughts and prayers" of our politicians and the religious right do any good, we can make religion the issue.

[Proteus_MST]

Article about the NRA and how they changed the interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
Also about the unwillingness of US politics to change the Status Quo again:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...gun-policy-nra

[Kidlicious]

The fact that the shooter was a dishonorably discharged veteran with a history of domestic violence, yet possessed an assault rifle, is far more relevant than his views on religion. No one here is denying that he was an atheist.

The key point is that the shooter should not have had access to the weapon he used. So yes, gun control is the issue.

The next time the sanctimonious, self-serving "thoughts and prayers" of our politicians and the religious right do any good, we can make religion the issue.

Now you're starting some other damn issue, politicians calling for prayers? I'm speechless.

The thing you don't understand is that he either had those weapons before he was discharged or he acquired them illegally. The point is that gun control is a non-issue. It won't do a damn thing. It's your stupid talking point.

As far as persecution of Christians goes, if you don't give a damn screw you, and I sincerely mean that. There are millions of scum bag atheists all over the internet expressing similar sentiment. Screw you. What do I care if you want to talk about violating my rights. Screw you.

[Kidlicious]

He got his guns because the USA areoverflowing with weeapons in private hands and it is super easy to buy your own guns there, even if you legally aren't allowed to buy guns.

The USA btw. have 4.4 % of the worlds population, but 50% of allf private owned weapons in the world

See also here:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Ok so maybe you can keep him from getting a gun and he gets a bomb. Whatever. Nonsense.

[Dinner]

What is there to squirm out of. He hated Christians and decided he'd start off by killing him some Christians. The other good thing is that the churches that were soft targets are now arming up. It's a good thing our school did so after Sandy Hook. Otherwise this clown could have come after us. Can't wait till we can carry at mass again.

Ben, you are an idiot.

He shot up that church because he was in a domestic dispute with his mother in law and thought she would be there as she is a member of that church.

[Berzerker]

Article about the NRA and how they changed the interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
Also about the unwillingness of US politics to change the Status Quo again:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...gun-policy-nra

eh, I dont believe for a second the people who gave us the Bill of Rights interpreted the 2nd Amendment differently - but they didn't apply restrictions to state regulation of guns other than ensuring militia members could coordinate with others when called upon

[Berzerker]

as for religion, I have no doubt this guy would have went after any crowd around his in-laws - even if it was a crowd of atheists

[Kidlicious]

No one is taking guns away. That is a sick fantasy.

[-Jrabbit]

Now you're starting some other damn issue, politicians calling for prayers? I'm speechless.

I'm saying that religion is not the issue here, just as religion was not the issue in Sandy Hook or Las Vegas. Look at the common element: assh0les with insane firepower.

The thing you don't understand is that he either had those weapons before he was discharged or he acquired them illegally. The point is that gun control is a non-issue. It won't do a damn thing. It's your stupid talking point.

Good to see that you admit he should not have had those guns. Sad (but unsurprising) to see that your solution is to give up on keeping guns out of the hands of mass murderers.

As far as persecution of Christians goes, if you don't give a damn screw you, and I sincerely mean that. There are millions of scum bag atheists all over the internet expressing similar sentiment. Screw you. What do I care if you want to talk about violating my rights. Screw you.

I've got nothing against Christians, and don't think any legitimate religious or social institution should be persecuted. I just don't think that Christians are being persecuted. You, OTOH, seem to have a severe overreaction to anyone who isn't Christian.

[Kidlicious]

as for religion, I have no doubt this guy would have went after any crowd around his in-laws - even if it was a crowd of atheists

He was an atheist in school. He hated his in laws because they were Christian.

[Dinner]

The narrative is somewhat complicated here, IIUC; I've heard that people with dishonorable discharges shouldn't be legally able to purchase firearms, while this guy was brought down by a pair of private citizens with apparently legal ones. This is the first time I know of that the "good guy with a gun" narrative worked out. Because Texas.

He apparently got a bad conduct discharge and not a dishonorable. His court marshall was not a general court marshall and although he did beat the crap out of his wife (getting one year in prison for it and discharged) it was only charged as assault not domestic violence.

Clearly both the UCMJ and federal laws need to be updated so any violent crime gets you a failure on the background check.

[-Jrabbit]

No one is taking guns away. That is a sick fantasy.

By law, Devin Kelley should not have owned guns.

The law is not a sick fantasy. It's how a civilized society works.

It's a damned shame that our politicians are too gutless to do the right thing.

[Kidlicious]

I'm saying that religion is not the issue here, just as religion was not the issue in Sandy Hook or Las Vegas. Look at the common element: assh0les with insane firepower.



Good to see that you admit he should not have had those guns. Sad (but unsurprising) to see that your solution is to give up on keeping guns out of the hands of mass murderers.



I've got nothing against Christians, and don't think any legitimate religious or social institution should be persecuted. I just don't think that Christians are being persecuted. You, OTOH, seem to have a severe overreaction to anyone who isn't Christian.

The reason why the issue is religion is because you don't think that terrorism against Christians is persecution! And I never said that I've given up on keeping guns away from bad people. Nice Strawman