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[Proteus_MST]

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It's you (the West) who would need to catch up Russia (in a historical sense), because the victory of communism over capitalism is absolutely inevitable, just like victory of capitalism over feudalism and victory of feudalism over slavery were inevitable.

You may have missed the memo, but russia isn't communist anymore since roughly 1/4 century
It is now some kind of Oligarchy (where some wealthy people have control) together with some front-end democratic mechanisms (like free elections, where the contenders are held small by suppressing their right of free speech and arresting their front figures)

You can still find communism in Cuba (which surely won't be a global player ever, North Korea (which just lives in the illusion of being a global player) and China (which has its communism mixed together with Capitalism, hhowever, so it surely isn't as communist as, fr example, the USSR was)

[ricketyclik]

You may have missed the memo, but russia isn't communist anymore since roughly 1/4 century
It is now some kind of Oligarchy (where some wealthy people have control) together with some front-end democratic mechanisms (like free elections, where the contenders are held small by suppressing their right of free speech and arresting their front figures)

You can still find communism in Cuba (which surely won't be a global player ever, North Korea (which just lives in the illusion of being a global player) and China (which has its communism mixed together with Capitalism, hhowever, so it surely isn't as communist as, fr example, the USSR was)

Sounds like much of the West, especially the Anglosphere. The only difference is the degree of oppression of free speech, but that's effectively done by champions of the elite owning media.

[Proteus_MST]

Sounds like much of the West, especially the Anglosphere. The only difference is the degree of oppression of free speech, but that's effectively done by champions of the elite owning media.

True
Another difference between russia and the west seems to be that in russia the number of Oligarchs (i.e. those rich families that have control/influence over the government) seems to be much smaller than in the western countries

[Serb]

You may have missed the memo, but russia isn't communist anymore since roughly 1/4 century
It is now some kind of Oligarchy (where some wealthy people have control) together with some front-end democratic mechanisms (like free elections, where the contenders are held small by suppressing their right of free speech and arresting their front figures)

You can still find communism in Cuba (which surely won't be a global player ever, North Korea (which just lives in the illusion of being a global player) and China (which has its communism mixed together with Capitalism, hhowever, so it surely isn't as communist as, fr example, the USSR was)

All revolutions are suppressed by the forces of reaction, but win at the end of the day. That was the case in a struggle of capitalism vs. feudalism, that is the same in communism vs. capitalism. We were the first who implemented this advanced social-economical formation. Nothing can change that fact. Sooner or later communism will prevail everywhere. Otherwise humanity is doomed.

[Proteus_MST]

All revolutions are suppressed by the forces of reaction, but win at the end of the day. That was the case in a struggle of capitalism vs. feudalism, that is the same in communism vs. capitalism. We were the first who implemented this advanced social-economical formation. Nothing can change that fact. Sooner or later communism will prevail everywhere. Otherwise humanity is doomed.

You mean:
You were the first to fail to implement this socio-economical theory.
Because what you actually did was, to replace one dictatorship (that of the czar and his nobility) with another one (that of Stalin and later the party),
with both being effectively 2 class society (with the first one putting you into a higher class if you belonjged to nobility ... and the other one if you beölonged to the higher echelons of the communist party)

Sure, there will be changes to the capitalist system ... actually you already see this in the fact that trhe european country have a social market economy and no pure capitalist society ... and I am sure that in the future there will also be the unconditional basic income, which will get introduced by many of the econom,ically stronger western governments (in fact there already ae field studies taking place in many regions all around europoe and even the USA),
But some kind of communism like in the former USSR?
Never ... too inflexible and, as said, just another form of 2 class society

[Serb]

You mean:
You were the first to fail to implement this socio-economical theory.

No, I mean we were the pioneers of communism, just like we were the pioneers of space exploration (which is the greatest achievement humanity EVER did).
The fact that for now the capitalist reaction have won a battle, doesn't change the fact it will lose a war at the end of the day.

Because what you actually did was, to replace one dictatorship (that of the czar and his nobility) with another one (that of Stalin and later the party),

Nope, that's not what we did. We have removed capitalists from power, erased them as a class of bloodsucking exploiters. That's what we did and that why you (the West) hate us as never! And create propaganda myths about how horrible USSR was.

with both being effectively 2 class society (with the first one putting you into a higher class if you belonjged to nobility ... and the other one if you beölonged to the higher echelons of the communist party)

Blah-blah-blah. The revolution gave unthinkable opportunities for everyone. You can check the biography of any Soviet politician, scientist, artist, general, etc, etc, to just find out that in most of the cases that person was born as a peasant or worker.

Sure, there will be changes to the capitalist system ... actually you already see this in the fact that trhe european country have a social market economy and no pure capitalist society ... and I am sure that in the future there will also be the unconditional basic income, which will get introduced by many of the econom,ically stronger western governments (in fact there already ae field studies taking place in many regions all around europoe and even the USA),

You see the socialist elements in your Western society ONLY THANKS to the USSR, moron!
That was the only reason why your exploiters have decided to throw a bone for their slaves!
But now, since the threat has gone - guess what happens? They don't need to throw that bone anymore! The poor are becoming poorer and the rich keep exploiting them harder.

But some kind of communism like in the former USSR?
Never ... too inflexible and, as said, just another form of 2 class society

Besides, that you have no idea about what USSR was (you haven't live there, aside me), who told you it will be exactly the same way?
We learnt our mistakes.

[Proteus_MST]

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You see the socialist elements in your Western society ONLY THANKS to the USSR, moron!
That was the only reason why your exploiters have decided to throw a bone for their slaves!
But now, since the threat has gone - guess what happens? They don't need to throw that bone anymore! The poor are becoming poorer and the rich keep exploiting them harder.

Germany (thanks to Bismarck) introduced socialist elements (the national health insurance) already in 1883, long before the the USSR was foirmed

Who said it will be exactly the same way? We learnt our mistakes.

If you want to reintroduce communism to russia, you will have to do so against the resistance of the Oligarchs and Putin ...
meaning you will, most likely, have to start a new revolution and fight against the russian army, armed with Armata tanks

[Serb]

Germany (thanks to Bismarck) introduced socialist elements (the national health insurance) already in 1883, long before the the USSR was formed

Yes, after all communism is your idea.
But, that was just a cosmetic change instead of a revolutionary one.

If you want to reintroduce communism to russia, you will have to do so against the resistance of the Oligarchs and Putin ...
meaning you will, most likely, have to start a new revolution and fight against the russian army, armed with Armata tanks

Facepalm, really.
No tank can't stop the flow of history!

[Proteus_MST]

Yes, after all communism is your idea.
But, that was just a cosmetic change instead of a revolutionary one.

Well, a very important change for which we (in germany) definitely are thankful (and which was introduced, in one form or the other, in all western countries (except the USA).
The USA is the best example of what would have happened, if we hadn't introduced national healthcare

Facepalm, really.
No tank can't stop the flow of history!

Tanks were well able to stop Poland and Hungary from breaking free from the USSR and become their own independent states ( Polish October, Hungarian Revolution of 1956 )
(doesn't say anything about the next few centuries, of course, but I think there are other dangers which have a higher probability of happening during my lifetime... for example a global thermonuclear war that bombs humanity back into stone age, or islamists taking power in europe)

[Serb]

Tanks were well able to stop Poland and Hungary from breaking free from the USSR and become their own independent states

A coup/a regime change =/ revolution.

[The Mad Monk]

Then what is revolution, exactly?

[Broken_Erika]

Then what is revolution, exactly?

A dancing game.

[Serb]

Tanks were well able to stop Poland and Hungary from breaking free from the USSR and become their own independent states (

1) Do you ever hear me? Did the Soviet tanks stop Hungary from breaking apart from Soviet block at the end of the day?
2) Soviet tanks in Poland - what the f*ck are you talking about? (not that it matters - it just shows your ignorance and how brainwashed you really are).
3) Poland and Hungary are independent states now - don't make me laugh The sad truth is that they have switched their master and now being f*cked by another master. If you call that that independence, I call that - "a TRUE dependenASS ".

Not that Germany is anything different - you are a serfs of you know whom!

[Serb]

Then what is revolution, exactly?

The revolution is a change of current form of society to a more progressive one. Simple as that.

It took about three hundred years for capitalism to defeat feudalism worldwide (it's not even so in some places even now), but when the Capitalism was revolving vs. feudalism - that was a shift to a more progressive society. Because capitalism is obviously more progressive then feudalism, just like feudalism in its turn is more progressive then slavery.
Now capitalism creams his fancy golden pants that after 74 years from the start he was able to suppress the revolution for now. But, it's stupid! Just like the Capitalism won over Feudalism, the Communism will win over Capitalism, even sooner then 300 years like Capitalism did over Feudalism.

It's a f*cking history laws, my dear brainwashed Western dummies!

[Serb]

And nothing can't change that, except the global extermination started by Capitalists in attempt to stay in power.