Had a dinner with an SJW (did not know beforehand). What the hell? Questions at the end.

[Kidlicious]

I actually agreee with Dannubis here.
If you vote for a candidatte you actually are among those who are responsible for the things he does (at least if it was already foreseeable at the time of election).
So, people who voted for Trump in protest against Hillary are as responsible for him trying to get rid of Obamacare (and replacing it with a worse system) as people who voted for him because they actually want to get rid of Obamacare.


It is similar to people here in germany voting for AfD as a protest against established parties (like CDU or SPD) ... if AfD actually gets to power and then sucessfully establishes a racist legislation in germany, then these voters are as responsible as people who voted for AfD because they actually are racists themselves.

(Similar all turkish people who vote with "Yes" in Erdogans Referendum will be equally responsible if he wins and then turns Turkey into an islamist autocracy. It doesn't actually matter why they voted with "Yes" )

BE is right. It wasn't just a vote against Hillary in most cases, although she is clearly establishment trash. He defeated all republicans, even Cruz, mostly because Cruz got so much Wall Street money. You are just wrong.

[Kidlicious]

Actually, while anyone can discriminate, only men can be sexist and only whites can be racist. At least in western society. This is simply because white men are in a position of power over women and PoCs overall. So yes, a white person telling a joke about a black person is much different than a black person telling a joke about a white person. The consequences and meaning behind the jokes are different because each person is in a different place of power. Sure a white person may have to face being called a racist, but the black person has to worry about losing a job or a life. That white people are so sensitive to being shown even the smallest of their racist behaviors demonstrates that there is no equality. Contrary to the belief of many white people, the historical consequences of centuries of brutal white oppression didn't disappear after the United States' Civil Rights movement.

First problem is Sweden where women are in control of the government and men are still called oppressors and women the oppressed. Everything is said to be the fault of men. This is exactly the same as other places. So we see real world example of this line of reasoning being just an excuse to blame everything on someone else.

Next example is South Africa where whites might even be facing genocide. Again, everything is white people's fault even though whites have no power.

So I challenge you to give an example of power being taken away from white males and in place an egalitarian system put in place. Otherwise you just justified treating white males like **** for no reason, and in the end maybe they will all get killed off if you have your way.

[Proteus_MST]

...
Next example is South Africa where whites might even be facing genocide. Again, everything is white people's fault even though whites have no power.
...

LOLWut?

The Whites in South Afrrica still form the upper class whereas the majority of the Blacks are the lower class.
Even the justice system still has preferential treatment of whites.
Actually the (female) judge who was responsible for the first trial against Oscar Pistorius was ararity in South African justice system, becaue (before the case against Pistorius) she was known as not treating whites more lightly than blacks.
(In the case against Pistorius however she obviously failed ... maybe moved by his disability, by his hero status or maybe bribed ... fortunately Pistorius himself appealed against the verict and the 2nd trial was (unfortunately for Pistorius) a little bit harsher)

[Dinner]

Actually, while anyone can discriminate, only men can be sexist and only whites can be racist. At least in western society. This is simply because white men are in a position of power over women and PoCs overall. So yes, a white person telling a joke about a black person is much different than a black person telling a joke about a white person. The consequences and meaning behind the jokes are different because each person is in a different place of power. Sure a white person may have to face being called a racist, but the black person has to worry about losing a job or a life. That white people are so sensitive to being shown even the smallest of their racist behaviors demonstrates that there is no equality. Contrary to the belief of many white people, the historical consequences of centuries of brutal white oppression didn't disappear after the United States' Civil Rights movement.

That is an almost Kid level stupid post, you normally do better so I will just assume you had a bad day. Yes, I know that is standard SJW faire but it is complete self serving nonsense and a pack of lies. "Only whites can be racist... Only men can be exist..."

That is just attempting to redefine terms to fit the SJW political agenda and person who is even halfway intelligent should be able to see through it as the complete bull**** propaganda that it is.

[DaShi]

And what agenda is that?

Racism is a problem of white people. White racism is a problem for everyone else.

[Kidlicious]

LOLWut?

The Whites in South Afrrica still form the upper class whereas the majority of the Blacks are the lower class.
Even the justice system still has preferential treatment of whites.
Actually the (female) judge who was responsible for the first trial against Oscar Pistorius was ararity in South African justice system, becaue (before the case against Pistorius) she was known as not treating whites more lightly than blacks.
(In the case against Pistorius however she obviously failed ... maybe moved by his disability, by his hero status or maybe bribed ... fortunately Pistorius himself appealed against the verict and the 2nd trial was (unfortunately for Pistorius) a little bit harsher)

The government is black. Hate speech is frequent, coming from the president and Congress. They deny the attacks on whites. Like Sweden they don't keep statistics. The American and European governments also deny the murders.

[Aeson]

Aeson, out of the three, conservative dem, moderate dem, radical dem, you fit the latter best. Disagree? Make your case.

I would be a pretty radical D given that I've never voted D, and think that the political parties (both) are the problem with America.

[Berzerker]

If you vote for a candidate you actually are among those who are responsible for the things he does (at least if it was already foreseeable at the time of election).
So, people who voted for Trump in protest against Hillary are as responsible for him trying to get rid of Obamacare (and replacing it with a worse system) as people who voted for him because they actually want to get rid of Obamacare.

Hillary helped the Bush administration lie us into war with Iraq and then she added Libya and Syria to her resume under Obama

how do you vote for someone like that?

[Kidlicious]

I would be a pretty radical D given that I've never voted D, and think that the political parties (both) are the problem with America.

And you don't want to be criticized because it makes so called moderates look like you?

[Kidlicious]

Kid, out of three... moderate Repub, conservative Repub... Altright nut job, you fit the latter best. Disagree? Make your case.
But almost everybody here already knows the answer, so we await your probably moronic and silly response.

You obviously don't understand why I asked that question of Aeson since I have never said that any on the right should be sheltered from criticism. And you aren't going to learn anyway, so I won't answer your question.

[-Jrabbit]

Perhaps you never posted that here, but in fact you defend the far right pretty regularly. To the point of you claiming the alt-right isn't racist, when in fact the term itself is a transparent attempt to make white nationalism more palatable to the masses.

What's your opinion of Richard Spencer and the National Policy Institute, Kid?

[Kidlicious]

Perhaps you never posted that here, but in fact you defend the far right pretty regularly. To the point of you claiming the alt-right isn't racist, when in fact the term itself is a transparent attempt to make white nationalism more palatable to the masses.

What's your opinion of Richard Spencer and the National Policy Institute, Kid?

Feel free to criticize him all you want. I won't defend his positions unless they happen to be the same as mine, and I doubt that that will ever be true. As I understand he is part of an extreme minority and the left and establishment repugs as well as the media love to talk about how significant he is, which is a lie that you gobble up.

[-Jrabbit]

I won't defend his positions unless they happen to be the same as mine, and I doubt that that will ever be true.

Then why defend the term alt-right?

[Kidlicious]

Then why defend the term alt-right?

I like the idea of an alt-right, since I'm not happy with the conservative movement. I don't think we should label the movement a racist movement. That's what the left is doing to prevent it from catching on. It does the same thing with other non-conservative right movements. I'll take a wait and see approach.

BTW, you can criticize the MRA movement all you want too. I don't really identify as such anymore, but I'm sure that I will disagree with much of your criticism.

[Proteus_MST]

Hillary helped the Bush administration lie us into war with Iraq and then she added Libya and Syria to her resume under Obama

how do you vote for someone like that?

There actually are much more candidates than just Hillary or Trump.
Yes, I know ... throwing away your vote because the othr candidates don't have a chance to win.

The problem with this thinking is, if everyone thinks this way, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
If more people would think outside of Republicans vs. Democrats, then maybe the smaller parties would have a real chance (and Dems&Reps would get a bad surprise) ...
either way, someone who voted for candidate of the smaller parties has a clean conscience, as he gave none of the "bad choices" a vote