The Moral Arc

[Kidlicious]

And jews were hated for aeons. It isn't going away.

Again, in the history of that city go back 1000 years. the spanish inquisition chased them to death. They found refure there.

Then 1000 years later germans killed them from there too.


It's amazing in a bad way.

the jewish musem had lots of info on the jewish religion. I thought it was a primitive backwards ****ed up cult that can't compare to the greek religion or to christianity.


however that doesn't mean they should get treated the way they were. that's unacceptable.

I guess germans are very very weird.


THe feeling you get when you exit the museum is: why does germany still exist and when's the bomb coming down at them?

Did they have any information on what the muslims have done?

[Kidlicious]

Came here to see a JM meltdown. But I'll start here first.

If you are being true right now and really can't understand why people would be upset at losing health care coverage that means the difference between a few dozen bucks being spent or tens of thousands... then I think you are just mentally retarded more than anything. Moreso than you are evil. But dumb and evil aren't mutually exclusive either.

You are a straight up psycho with an inability to empathize with other people. The serious retardation of your belief system is rivaled only by the extreme malice you hold in your heart for your fellow humans.

You are a piece of trash and ought to... minimize your impact on humanity to the most extreme level possible. Interpret that how you will.

Go **** yourself.

It's a privilege every day a police officer doesn't roll up on you and shoot you dead... or that it doesn't happen to your child... or your nephew... or any person that would have to be related to you enough to care... if you even possess that ability.

My only regret is that I probably won't ever get the opportunity to scream this in your pathetic face.

Not toxic

[Kidlicious]

We should cut federal funding for schools that give participation trophies and things like that.

Damn I think I just solved all of our problems.

[giblets]

A better question is why would you abandon what is right, or align yourself with what is worse (in your own estimation)?

Because the evil gays are going to take away his C.S. Lewis books and make him praise Satan.

[Elok]

A better question is why would you abandon what is right, or align yourself with what is worse (in your own estimation)?

You don't understand. Suppose you are a fundamentally decent Catholic in Spain during the Civil War. You don't like the fascists, and you have some sympathy for some Communist goals, e.g. the way they sort of pretend to care about the poor. But that runs into the snag that, as a Catholic, you are by default on the right wing already. The Commies won't have you; the moment they see that crucifix on your wall, they'll assume you're a fascist collaborator no matter what you say, since that's how the lines are drawn. And anyway, the future as they envision it has no room for you.

Much the same applies here. I believe in climate change, don't want school prayer or creationism, think gun ownership should be a revocable privilege, don't like the vast wealth and opportunity gap, want the prison population drastically reduced, etc. So far, so good. But the people who want those things--or rather the people who set policy and provide leadership for the people who want those things--also want a world in which any meaningful religious faith has been eroded away and replaced, if at all, by something too vapid and bland to be worth believing in. And they've already written the story such that people who believe what I believe, even in a purely theological sense, are presumed enemies. The only way to be on their good side is to become the sort of utter bootlicker willing to smile at the blessing of a Planned Parenthood--and even those are only briefly useful for political purposes. I don't want to have anything to do with either of these groups, but that's not how radicalization works. American politics are caught in a feedback loop, and unless we can shut down the cycle it's only going to get worse until everyone is forced to take a side.

[Aeson]

Not many people are going to find they agree with a party platforms on all issues. Even within party leadership. If there even is a party platform to begin with. (See Trump v Republicans)

There are a lot of progressive Christians.

[Kidlicious]

Not many people are going to find they agree with a party platforms on all issues. Even within party leadership. If there even is a party platform to begin with. (See Trump v Republicans)

There are a lot of progressive Christians.

Progressive Christian is progressive. They want everyone to be progressive. Most of them their real religion is their politics. Conservative Christians are more often not like that.

[Jon Miller]

That is something more true among 'white americans'. If you go to African American churches, immigrant churches or churches outside of the US it doesn't seem like so much of politics have bled into the church (and this can be true for both the progressive and conservative sides).

JM

[Kidlicious]

That is something more true among 'white americans'. If you go to African American churches, immigrant churches or churches outside of the US it doesn't seem like so much of politics have bled into the church (and this can be true for both the progressive and conservative sides).

JM

I know conservatives are very big on politics in church, too much IMO, but I haven't known many to say that conservatives aren't Christians like I've seen progressives do. I'm not talking about Christians like the KKK. I even question Christians who believe in attending church in the nude and stuff. I'm talking about traditional conservative Christians. Of course, many of these progressives have radical theology so you might not consider some of them Christians.

[Jon Miller]

I have heard (on Moody Radio) 'preaching' from Franklin Graham which was as anti-Christian as I could imagine anything being (including from the political/theological liberal side of Christianity).

JM

[Kidlicious]

I have heard (on Moody Radio) 'preaching' from Franklin Graham which was as anti-Christian as I could imagine anything being (including from the political/theological liberal side of Christianity).

JM

I seriously doubt that. What are you talking about? I know plenty of progressives who actually believe that people who believe that Jesus died on the Cross so that his followers could be with God have the whole thing wrong.

[Elok]

There are a lot of progressive Christians.

At present. Depending how one defines "progressive" and "Christian." Even I could qualify by some definitions. But the leadership class of progressivism--colleges, the media, associated donors--are hostile to religion. As the bifurcation of our society continues, I expect the hostility to become less latent. It's like climate change; I think we're locked into course and we'll have extreme difficulty moving from it as time goes on, even after diagnosing the problem.

[Elok]

Of course you may be right; in such a complicated situation with no way of predicting what will happen, I may simply be falling back on morbid paranoia. Then again, I expect a grossly unqualified president to come into office in two days. There will almost certainly be riots in multiple cities, unless I am very much mistaken. He lacks the tools to defuse tension or conciliate. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, one way or another.

But hell, I could be wrong.

EDIT: I am wrong. It's tomorrow, not two days. This is what happens when I take closing shifts at work. Blech.

[kentonio]

Jon Miller I'd just like to mention that my reason for not taking apart your poorly reasoned and antagonistic posts earlier in the week was purely due to a bout of flu (and now an unwillingness to bother trawling back though 16 pages). I just want to reassure you that you are, yet again, wrong.

[Kidlicious]

Elok, where do you stand on school choice. We have a real shot here and liberals are foaming at the mouth. They know where their vulnerability is.