The last ten days

[Uncle Sparky]

Apparently one of Trump's most important advisors is named Kyle... that's why Trump's followers keep pointing and saying, "See Kyle!"

[kentonio]

I see it as a problem. Freedom of conscience is important in any democracy.

You have your American view of the world, and we have our European one. In our world spewing racist **** is not acceptable, is an act of aggression and an incitement to hatred towards other human beings, and is not tolerable in our societies. You can run your democracy however you choose, and we will run ours how we choose. Ours is a lot less violent as it turns out.

[Proteus_MST]

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Trump is putting America first. ...

America first has a long tradition

(The owner of Breitbart News (which is mentioned in the article connected to the pic) is now Trumps chief strategist nd head of the national security council ... Maybe another thing to worry about )

Actually in 1940 there would have been the chance to change the world forever, just by following Charles Lindberghs eample and caring about america first

[Kidlicious]

No. It is a very different thing to say someone is not a human. Nazis are humans, just ones with horrible ideas.



You brought it up when you lied and said I called you a Nazi. I explained what I have called you to clarify the situation.

If you don't want to be called misogynist, drop the misogyny. Same with xenophobe and Islamaphobe.



I'm fine with you being here too.

Putting America first is a meaningless slogan. What he means is he's going to ignore the majority of Americans and implement an alt-right policy.

No stupid. It means the security of America comes before the well being of non citizens. This is not hard to understand just like it's not hard to understand that I'm not a misogynist, or that I am a human being. How can liberals be so stupid. The whole ****ing lot of you seem to have some contagious mental virus.

[Kidlicious]

America first has a long tradition

(The owner of Breitbart News (which is mentioned in the article connected to the pic) is now Trumps chief strategist nd head of the national security council ... Maybe another thing to worry about )

Actually in 1940 there would have been the chance to change the world forever, just by following Charles Lindberghs eample and caring about america first

You really shouldn't Godwin. I know that it's the thing to do for liberals, but it's no excuse.

[Bereta_Eder]

The US ability to do or be what it is, was and still is conditional on getting along with other people.
If the current administration choses to isolate itslef from the world and play hardball, then it's pretty sure that many of its bridges will collapse.
That goes for trade/ money/influence etc

I keep reading how trump's election means the end of the US as a significant power in the world. Isolationism vs internationalism seems to be that the first won.

I also see a pattern of the "outsiders". Russia/US/UK/Turkey seem to engage in similar tactics.
UK signed a defense deal with Turkey, goes to the US to secure trade deals there etc etc
Turkey seems to completely have abandoned the path to modernization and democracy.

Noone doubts that the brexit will be a hard one.


Plus, now 53% of greeks feel that the drachma is preferable to the euro and you have a government in charge that, I think, will not relinquish power so easily. Meaning it will prefer to go down in a blaze of glory than capitulate on more demands. Which will mean the first exodus from the euro of a eurozone country. It was unthinkable before, but with percentages now superceding the "stay" crowd, it's possible (not probable IMO)

It seems that the world is in general dissaray. Globilization led to the drastic shrinking of the middle class in western countries. That was bound to have repercussions.

This re-allignment (according to theory) leads to protectionism that leads fatalistically to war.

Probably not in our generation though and with many chances to backtrack

[Proteus_MST]

You really shouldn't Godwin. I know that it's the thing to do for liberals, but it's no excuse.

IMHO it is an important point for concern.
The sentiment (to put (isolationist) ameica and stay out of the war against germany and also not to support GB/USSR with convoys) was there and was supported by at least one beloved celebrity (i.e. Lindbergh)
And had this movement gained more support than the sentiment that he war has to be fought ... well, I guess "The man in the high castle" and "Fatherland" describe such alternative scenarios very well.

And actually the fact that the owner of Breitbart News was made head of the national security council IMHO is even more reason for concern and should worry you, too

[Kidlicious]

IMHO it is an important point for concern.
The sentiment (to put (isolationist) ameica and stay out of the war against germany and also not to support GB/USSR with convoys) was there and was supported by at least one beloved celebrity (i.e. Lindbergh)
And had this movement gained more support than the sentiment that he war has to be fought ... well, I guess "The man in the high castle" and "Fatherland" describe such alternative scenarios very well.

And actually the fact that the owner of Breitbart News was made head of the national security council IMHO is even more reason for concern and should worry you, too

The desire to stay out of Old World wars didn't start in the 20th century. it started during the early beginning of our country.

Plus you have to realize that Americans we're much more concerned about communism than they we're about national socialism.

[Aeson]

Sometimes analogies to the Nazis and Holocaust are warranted. A ban on refugees issued on Holocaust Memorial Day seems to be clearly one of those times.

[Aeson]

It means the security of America comes before the well being of non citizens.

You clearly overestimate the risk of refugees. That is why you run around like Chicken Little, ****ting your pants at the very thought of Muslims.

I understand the risks are very low, far outweighed by the positive benefit of refugees, of being humane, helping my neighbor.

This is the difference between us on this issue.

[Aeson]

Thankfully, Bannon seems to have lost in his push to keep this order applicable to green card holders. A small victory for sanity.

[Kidlicious]

You clearly overestimate the risk of refugees. That is why you run around like Chicken Little, ****ting your pants at the very thought of Muslims.

I understand the risks are very low, far outweighed by the positive benefit of refugees, of being humane, helping my neighbor.

This is the difference between us on this issue.

You keep repeating lies and irrelevant points. I'm not that afraid of being the victim of a terrorist attack. I'm honestly more afraid of liberals like you who have lost your ****ing mind and who allow someone to repeatedly post videos of someone you disagree with getting punched in the face and say that people are not human. There are way too many of you ****s to deal with at this point and you pose a much greater threat to the world.

What I am afraid or, regarding Muslim immigrants, is an attack on America. But I really shouldn't have to keep repeating that but I do because you have nothing but a strawman so you are just going to keep demonizing people over and over again.

Finally, we have plenty of immigrants right now in America. We literally have no need for Muslim refugees at all. They do not benefit our country even a little bit.

[Kidlicious]

Sometimes analogies to the Nazis and Holocaust are warranted. A ban on refugees issued on Holocaust Memorial Day seems to be clearly one of those times.

It's a logical fallacy and you simply have no valid argument.

[kentonio]

Thankfully, Bannon seems to have lost in his push to keep this order applicable to green card holders. A small victory for sanity.

The administrations lawyers probably finally managed to convince them that they were about to be charged with contempt of court.

[kentonio]

Finally, we have plenty of immigrants right now in America. We literally have no need for Muslim refugees at all. They do not benefit our country even a little bit.

Ok smart guy, exactly how many immigrants are required to benefit America, and how exactly is a muslim immigrant any less beneficial than a non-muslim immigrant?