Crime rates and voting

[Kidlicious]

It is because Republicans appear 'tough on crime' but are not really.

So people who are afraid of crime, but don't experience it vote Republican. People who expeirence crime know the Republican stances don't work and so vote Democrat.

JM

Do people actually believe that things like the 3 strikes law don't reduce crime? I find that hard to believe. That seems to just be political rhetoric coming from those who are soft on crime.

Anyway here's what I think, when your neighbor is a criminal, or even people in your own family you will be softer on crime. If you don't have any criminals in your family, or neighbors who are criminals you will be tougher on crime. People are actually willing to risk being victims in order to protect their neighbors and family members.

[Kidlicious]

Let me give an example. When I first moved to Tulsa I was poor. The neighborhood that I moved to has no street lights. You might think that it's because the city doesn't care about black people. But that's not it. The residents demanded that the street lights be removed. Now do you believe that street lights Don't reduce crime?

[N35t0r]

Let me explain Onodera's post:
Voting Democrat and high crime both tend to correlate with living in cities. You would need a more in depth study to really assess the direct link between voting preference and crime.

[N35t0r]

Anyway here's what I think, when your neighbor is a criminal, or even people in your own family you will be softer on crime. If you don't have any criminals in your family, or neighbors who are criminals you will be tougher on crime. People are actually willing to risk being victims in order to protect their neighbors and family members.

Actually, non-criminals who are routinely profiled and stopped tend to be less friendly towards both crime enforcement agencies and also towards people who support those sorts of politics.

[Kidlicious]

Let me explain Onodera's post:
Voting Democrat and high crime both tend to correlate with living in cities. You would need a more in depth study to really assess the direct link between voting preference and crime.

There was no need for you to explain that.

[Kidlicious]

Actually, non-criminals who are routinely profiled and stopped tend to be less friendly towards both crime enforcement agencies and also towards people who support those sorts of politics.

That maybe an explanation of why black people want less police, but not others. Black people are minorities in most of these places.

[Aeson]

The crime rate rose under Kennedy, Nixon, Johnson, Ford, and Carter, fell and rose back under Reagan, rose and fell back under Bush I, fell under Clinton, Bush II, and Obama.

Violent crime rates were a bit different, but similarly without correlation.

[ricketyclik]

Is Kidicious really baffled that blacks and latinos don't support the prison-industrial complex?

And that people in lower socio-economic demographics don't support tax breaks for the rich, deregulation of markets, lower minimum wages, etc?

[Kidlicious]

And that people in lower socio-economic demographics don't support tax breaks for the rich, deregulation of markets, lower minimum wages, etc?

I believe there is just as high a poverty rate in red counties. I could be wrong, but not by much.

[ricketyclik]

Do people actually believe that things like the 3 strikes law don't reduce crime? I find that hard to believe. That seems to just be political rhetoric coming from those who are soft on crime.

Anyway here's what I think, when your neighbor is a criminal, or even people in your own family you will be softer on crime. If you don't have any criminals in your family, or neighbors who are criminals you will be tougher on crime. People are actually willing to risk being victims in order to protect their neighbors and family members.

America is one of the toughest on crime countries in the West. It has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. It follows then that it must have a pretty high crime rate, relative to the rest of the world (maybe, I'm not sure on that last one, just guessing). So how, exactly, is this tough on crime thing working out in reducing crime?

Countries with the highest rates of education and evenest distributions of wealth have the lowest crime rates. Both come from *gasp* progressive tax systems and populations willing to think of themselves as part of a community, not as competing with each other for a slice of the pie.

[Kidlicious]

Here's a map of poverty rate by county. There doesn't seem to be much correlation.

https://www.census.gov/did/www/saipe/data/interactive/saipe.html?s_appName=saipe&map_yearSelector=2014&map_geoSelector=aa_c

[Kidlicious]

America is one of the toughest on crime countries in the West. It has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. It follows then that it must have a pretty high crime rate, relative to the rest of the world (maybe, I'm not sure on that last one, just guessing). So how, exactly, is this tough on crime thing working out in reducing crime?

Countries with the highest rates of education and evenest distributions of wealth have the lowest crime rates. Both come from *gasp* progressive tax systems and populations willing to think of themselves as part of a community, not as competing with each other for a slice of the pie.

Well there maybe an affect on families when fathers are imprisoned, but would the children of those fathers become criminals anyway? Is it better to have a criminal for a father at home or in prison?

But that doesn't really have anything to do with the difference in policy preference between people who live in high crime rate areas and live in low crime rate areas.

[SlowwHand]

It's one of 3 choices.
A) Incarcerate them.
B) Kill them.
C) Tell them how disappointing their behavior is and let them go.

[ricketyclik]

It's one of 3 choices.
A) Incarcerate them.
B) Kill them.
C) Tell them how disappointing their behavior is and let them go.

Or D) Create a more cohesive society so they don't get produced in such high rates in the first place.

Hence, Kid, it is related. People who live with crime more closely are more likely to see this, and hence vote not-Repugnant.

[Berzerker]

It's one of 3 choices.
A) Incarcerate them.
B) Kill them.
C) Tell them how disappointing their behavior is and let them go.

WWJD