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  • #31
    Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
    Edit: Hold on getting a newer poll...

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-05/merkel-s-approval-rating-plunges-following-attacks-in-germany


    While her approval fell a bit, her partys support has held firm and the second major party comes in second. The fringe? Not even there. What you have failed to notice and some of the German public has failed to see too... Is that the migration wave has dropped off sharply in recent months. Far fewer are coming.
    CDU/CSU support has fallen by around 10% since 2015; the SDP's support has fallen around 5% in this time. the main beneficiary has been the AFD, while the green party and FDP have also picked up some support. dinner is absolutely correct that voters are unhappy with the government and are looking for alternatives.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    • #32
      Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
      CDU/CSU support has fallen by around 10% since 2015; the SDP's support has fallen around 5% in this time. the main beneficiary has been the AFD, while the green party and FDP have also picked up some support. dinner is absolutely correct that voters are unhappy with the government and are looking for alternatives.
      Most still are NOT voting for AFD and would never think of supporting them. That's the reality.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #33
        no, that's a strawman.
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • #34
          No. Its not. And the votes show that.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #35


            you're arguing against something that no one has claimed.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #36
              Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
              CDU/CSU support has fallen by around 10% since 2015; the SDP's support has fallen around 5% in this time. the main beneficiary has been the AFD, while the green party and FDP have also picked up some support. dinner is absolutely correct that voters are unhappy with the government and are looking for alternatives.
              Thank you. It is nice to hear from someone who is not a blind ideologue spouting nonsense.
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by C0ckney View Post


                you're arguing against something that no one has claimed.
                He does that frequently which is why people mostly just ignore his constant strawman arguments.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  Thank you. It is nice to hear from someone who is not a blind ideologue spouting nonsense.
                  Nonsense? Ideologue? Have you taken a look at your own posts for a moment?

                  You're lying again.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #39
                    I get full when eating about 1% of my own mass. (Not that I'm eating my own mass, mind you.) So, if we view Europe as the people there, and >= 1% of the people in Europe are fascists, then we could say Europe is full of fascists.

                    EUROPE IS FULL OF FASCISTS!

                    ... at least until they poop the fascists out.

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                    • #40
                      Texas elected a drunk stumbling idiot... well several...

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                      And when he left they elected this guy...

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                      Who had an accident in the kitchen cause he had too many shots of whiskey.

                      Therefore Texas is full of white hillbilly drunks.

                      (Though the recent poll where Hillary was ahead gives me some reason to hope that Texas will someday gain its sense like California did)
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #41
                        This seems relevant, though I don't understand Europe well enough to have a good feel for its accuracy.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          This seems relevant, though I don't understand Europe well enough to have a good feel for its accuracy.
                          No they aren't. The problem with many of those parties discussed in that article, is that many sold out and betrayed their roots. The PSOE is famous for this. And Spain also has Podemos which is left wing itself. So while there is some populism in some countries, it is coming up short of gaining any real foothold. Right wing populism in the end is a pile of bull**** that has no real solutions and most people see that.

                          The reality is the left still has many more supporters than the right wing in Europe and that is how it will remain.
                          Last edited by Giancarlo; September 11, 2016, 11:10.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Elok View Post
                            This seems relevant, though I don't understand Europe well enough to have a good feel for its accuracy.
                            john harris is one of the guardian's best journalists (though that it setting the bar quite low), and his analysis of the UK left is usually pretty good. his knowledge of europe, however, is somewhat lacking. i shan't enter into a long discourse here, but though his diagnosis of the problem is accurate, his solutions are too timid.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • #44
                              Well bring to mind the three kings.
                              _What is the biggest driving force?
                              _Necessity

                              That's why all the analysis in the world won't stop that the world is heading for WW3 caused by the same illogicalities and paradoxalities of capitalism.

                              Working on the european project has degraded into funny.

                              Harmonizing, opening up markets, working on a neoliberal agenda that is supposed to the feeble minded to bring prosperity and peace while not tackling the biggest paradox of all which is the breathtaking concentration of wealth, the wars that it causes etc etc

                              However, this is not a bleak outlook. People often confuse this.

                              They try to isolate cases (venezuela is the neoliberals' darking) etc
                              But in the end people have the power

                              And will do what it takes.

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                              • #45
                                And with that said it's time for a dacquaree after a hard day

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