Rio Olympics

[Giancarlo]

FFS Oerdin, will you please leave your Brazil rants to one thread please? What happened, a Brazilian chick turned you down?

He is Oerdin? I didn't know that.

I like Brazilian guys... So sexy.

[C0ckney]

Brazil looks like a flaming dumpster fire. Also, having the rowing events in sewer water is a crime.

Opening their economy up to free trade so they can actually afford to build sewage treatment plants would be one of the infrastructure projects I meantioned to Cockey and which he said was stupid. They also ha e a lot of politically connected unions who get rent seeking laws pased. Brazil needs to lower the costs of basic infrastructure so they can actually get basic things like enough clean drinking water and actually treat sewage before dumping it in rivers and the ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

[Giancarlo]

Was the US's freeway system built by free trade lmao? Nope. What about most of its infrastructure? Mainly government projects. The internet? Government project.

[Dinner]

FFS Oerdin, will you please leave your Brazil rants to one thread please? What happened, a Brazilian chick turned you down?

No, nothing like that. The conditions there are just appalling, look at the toxic water the rowers had to row in, and then Cockey claims about how Brazil some how wouldn't benefit from free trade to help fix those conditions and improve people's standard of living... It is judt hard to believe.

Don't even get me started on Giancarlo's claim that trade makes people poor.

[giblets]

Brazil looks like a flaming dumpster fire. Also, having the rowing events in sewer water is a crime.

Opening their economy up to free trade so they can actually afford to build sewage treatment plants would be one of the infrastructure projects I meantioned to Cockey and which he said was stupid. They also ha e a lot of politically connected unions who get rent seeking laws pased. Brazil needs to lower the costs of basic infrastructure so they can actually get basic things like enough clean drinking water and actually treat sewage before dumping it in rivers and the ocean.

totally not a racist

[Dinner]

What?! How is pointing out that living conditions are relatively poor and that even the major cities lack basic infrastructure racist?

Yes, even in developing countries faster progress can be made with the right government policies and priorities. Seriously, google information about water quality in guanabara bay where raw untreated sewage floods into the water and has for decades including a build up of sewage sludge on the bottom. Where bacteria levels are 170 times world health organization standards and where hospitals dump untreated medical waste resulting in numerous super antibiotic resistant diseases are commonly found. This is where the water sports are being played. Ick, no, thank you.

But at least we have giblets here to tell us all it is some how "racist" to mention the numerous giant obvious problems.

[Giancarlo]

No, nothing like that. The conditions there are just appalling, look at the toxic water the rowers had to row in, and then Cockey claims about how Brazil some how wouldn't benefit from free trade to help fix those conditions and improve people's standard of living... It is judt hard to believe.

Don't even get me started on Giancarlo's claim that trade makes people poor.

Your ideas are so naive and out of date. You think free trade will fix everything. Free trade isn't fair trade.

Free trade doesn't fix ****. It only helps the rich gain more money (like Donald Trump). Those conditions would be fixed by regulation and internal ecotourism. Not free trade. Its hard to believe one can be so naive and suggest a vague blanket idea. By the way, Brazil already has many trade agreements. That hasn't helped.

[Giancarlo]

What?! How is pointing out that living conditions are relatively poor and that even the major cities lack basic infrastructure racist?

Yes, even in developing countries faster progress can be made with the right government policies and priorities. Seriously, google information about water quality in guanabara bay where raw untreated sewage floods into the water and has for decades including a build up of sewage sludge on the bottom. Where bacteria levels are 170 times world health organization standards and where hospitals dump untreated medical waste resulting in numerous super antibiotic resistant diseases are commonly found. This is where the water sports are being played. Ick, no, thank you.

But at least we have giblets here to tell us all it is some how "racist" to mention the numerous giant obvious problems.

Start by suggesting solutions that wouldn't make the rich even more rich and do diddly squat to help the poor.

Brazil was doing well until its government fell to corruption and confidence was badly shaken. They simply need new leadership and tougher regulations.

This stupid idea that free trade will somehow clean up the environment is the biggest pile of manure. Costa Rica didn't beautify its country through free trade. They set up tough environmental regulation and balanced ecotourism. They are one of the best performing economies in central America.

[C0ckney]

No, nothing like that. The conditions there are just appalling, look at the toxic water the rowers had to row in, and then Cockey claims about how Brazil some how wouldn't benefit from free trade to help fix those conditions and improve people's standard of living... It is judt hard to believe.

you do not understand the problem(s), yet here you are offering solutions. you do this a lot.

[Dinner]

Diddly squat to help the poor? You act like lower prices wouldn't help the poor when in reality it would help the poor the most. Also said lower prices would make a whole host of industries more competitive thus meaning they would be more likely to hire more people. Do you know what helps the poor the most? A job and they are more likely to find one in an open and dynamic economy than in a closed one.

[Dinner]

you do not understand the problem(s), yet here you are offering solutions. you do this a lot.

Ok, in your communist world view why don't you tell us what the problems are?

[Berzerker]

totally not a racist

lolwut

[Giancarlo]

Diddly squat to help the poor? You act like lower prices wouldn't help the poor when in reality it would help the poor the most. Also said lower prices would make a whole host of industries more competitive thus meaning they would be more likely to hire more people. Do you know what helps the poor the most? A job and they are more likely to find one in an open and dynamic economy than in a closed one.

This isn't what free trade is. If you want to discuss FAIR TRADE then we can talk. Free trade is just a way the super wealthy can line up their pockets even further. Your ideas on trade are one dimensional and naive. Free trade isn't going to provide the poor with jobs. Again the people who benefit the most from it are the wealthy.

By the way, so called free trade actually has a habit of bankrupting companies in countries making situations worse. Not better.

[Giancarlo]

Ok, in your communist world view why don't you tell us what the problems are?

Have you ever been to Brazil? Or any country outside your own? Your blanket suggestions are so silly.

[C0ckney]

Ok, in your communist world view why don't you tell us what the problems are?

well, to take one problem, why is the baia de guanabara full of sewage? the cleanup has been totally beset by corruption and incompetence, but what of the underlying situation? rio's population has increased tenfold in less than 3 generations, to say nothing of the satellite cities. many people live in slums that lack proper infrastructure, and so people simply direct their waste into the bay. although treatment capacity has been increased, it is not sufficient, and there are many areas that require further urbanisation works. basically, there is decades of work to do.

then you might ask, whence did all these people appear? and thus you get into the land question, the 1964 coup, etc.