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Unfortunately there seem to be indications that the coup is on the brink of failure
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Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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Erdogan's the guy who doesn't know his Lord of the Rings, right? Good riddance.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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Best thing to happen since the coup in Egypt. **** you, Erdogan.
Apparently he's seeking asylum in Britain. He picked the worst possible time to be a Muslim immigrant to the UK
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Where are you getting the asylum report?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Twitter, so take with grain of salt; US military source reported to multiple outlets that he sought and was denied asylum in Germany.
Flightaware has a plane from his reported vacation location on a flight plan to london.Comment
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Gulen... is he behind this?
Certainly the military did turn against the government. I think only some elements of the police were still loyal to the military. This was in the planning for a long time.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Gulen's movement has denied any involvement...
Who knows at this point.
This could have been the military being pushed to its breaking point. They were probably upset at how the situation was being handled in Kurdish areas and along the border.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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um...this is a joke, right?Originally posted by regexcellent View Post"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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looks like the coup has been unsuccessful.In the last few minutes, Mr Erdogan's plane has landed at Istanbul airport, government sources say."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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That is not yet determined.Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
And if he does survive this coup, his government will be weakened. He looked very weak thoroughout.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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They had a lot to be upset at.Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
The military was always the factor that provided security that Turkey was ruled according to Kemal Ataturks principles (that means, a state close to western examples, instead of a Shariah state). Which also is, why there were several coups in the past decades, with the military replacing too fundamentalist rulers by more modersate ones.
Which is probably why Erdogan took steps to replace the high ranking militaries with his own people.
I guess, if coup has failed, there is nothing that will prevent that Erdogan will slowly (or even rapidly) turn the state into an islamist quasi autocracy.Last edited by Proteus_MST; July 15, 2016, 21:58.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"Comment
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if the very popular president, who can call his legion of supporters out onto the streets to defend him is giving speeches on television, and the internet is still working, then basically the coup will fail.Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
as for weakening the government, that's unlikely in my view. he will use this as an excuse to get rid of opponents in the military and civil service, and thus strengthen his grip on power. failed coups are rarely bad for leaders' popularity."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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I think it could actually destabilize the country, and the failed coup may actually signify weakness in his government. It may also give Gulen more popularity.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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If the coup wins Turkey could turn into a military dictatorship, with all the usual ****. If Erdo wins, what looks probable now that he's made it to Istanbul, Turkey turns more into his dictatorship, with more of his usual ****.Originally posted by Elok View Post
Unless a miracle happens and he wisens up, and tries to do what govs are supposed to do - pacifying their coutries. As a leader he has been a total failure in that regard, if he stays or not....BlahComment
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With Erdogan - it turns into Islamic State Turkey, as he will have full power to destroy the secular elements of Turkish army, state and society.
Hope I am wrong, but... will be interesting.Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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