Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

What rah said? -For infection read social contact.

The kids getting home schooled strongly tend to be the last children who ought to be raised unsocialized, given the type of people who tend to inflict that on their children - Elok, you are a nerd, and your kids probably will be, too, for all that I think the world could use more of your kind of thoughtful nerd; I don't think limiting their social contact growing up is a good idea at all, even in favor of only hanging out with Ben the rest of their lives, which is a major part of what you get in the social conservative subculture. Dunno what you actually plan to do - just for example.

Nobody knows a lot better than I the violence of public schools, or the total lack of competence on the part of the mediocre at best intellects who tend to make a career of teaching to deal with a wiseacre kid who's smarter than them - but the smart play would still be to send my kids to real schools to make them better-rounded than I, being careful to take responsibility when they get home to subvert teachings/values I disagree with, encourage them to read and think for themselves, etc. -Raising them in a bubble and pretending the homeschool soccer league twice a week is any substitute for the daily social rough-and-tumble of the company of all walks is preparing them for functioning in real life?

-Pshaw. Makes as much sense as saddling them with pretentiously retarded names and claiming THAT isn't child abuse, either.

[Jon Miller]

That's the advantage of public schools (over homeschooling) ...
in them pupils may come into contact with people from other backgrounds (like asian or muslim)
and therefore have not only people of his own families cultural background around,
resulting in a broadened horizon over someone who only got told by his parents about other cultures

I didn't have contact with other cultures from school. The same is true of a lot of schools in the US, they are very 'separated' .

JM

[Kidlicious]

There's a good deal of evidence from research in psychology that shame is a particularly damaging emotion and that we would be wise to dole it out carefully or not at all.

Source plz

[Jon Miller]

Psychology has a severe 'progressive western' bias.

JM

[Kidlicious]

That's the advantage of public schools (over homeschooling) ...
in them pupils may come into contact with people from other backgrounds (like asian or muslim)
and therefore have not only people of his own families cultural background around,
resulting in a broadened horizon over someone who only got told by his parents about other cultures

Well then your child will more likely grow up to a liberal. That's fine, if that's what you want, but not intrinsically good.

[rah]

I didn't have contact with other cultures from school. The same is true of a lot of schools in the US, they are very 'separated' .

JM

While there is some truth in that, schools provide a wider experience than any home schooling.
It wasn't until I got to college and started interacted more regularly with minorities and gays before I overcame my fear/bias against them.
(our high school in the late 60/early 70s, was in a "vanilla village")

[Kidlicious]

What rah said? -For infection read social contact.

The kids getting home schooled strongly tend to be the last children who ought to be raised unsocialized, given the type of people who tend to inflict that on their children - Elok, you are a nerd, and your kids probably will be, too, for all that I think the world could use more of your kind of thoughtful nerd; I don't think limiting their social contact growing up is a good idea at all, even in favor of only hanging out with Ben the rest of their lives, which is a major part of what you get in the social conservative subculture. Dunno what you actually plan to do - just for example.

Nobody knows a lot better than I the violence of public schools, or the total lack of competence on the part of the mediocre at best intellects who tend to make a career of teaching to deal with a wiseacre kid who's smarter than them - but the smart play would still be to send my kids to real schools to make them better-rounded than I, being careful to take responsibility when they get home to subvert teachings/values I disagree with, encourage them to read and think for themselves, etc. -Raising them in a bubble and pretending the homeschool soccer league twice a week is any substitute for the daily social rough-and-tumble of the company of all walks is preparing them for functioning in real life?

-Pshaw. Makes as much sense as saddling them with pretentiously retarded names and claiming THAT isn't child abuse, either.

They don't call them at risk schools for nothing. It would be hilarious if some white liberal sent their kid to one on principle and the kid ended up in prison or on welfare with several different baby daddies,

[rah]

Only kid finds it hilarious when an innocent child ends up in prison. Just what kind of person are you?

[Jon Miller]

While there is some truth in that, schools provide a wider experience than any home schooling.
It wasn't until I got to college and started interacted more regularly with minorities and gays before I overcame my fear/bias against them.
(our high school in the late 60/early 70s, was in a "vanilla village")

I disagree with that.

My college was very white, the only black people were from Africa (but also my friends). It was really graduate school that opened my experience more.

But church and related activities had a much wider experience for me than school (and in some ways even college, although there were far more 'nerds' in college), where school was all just a mix of local rural-white culture and MTV culture, with a little hispanic culture on the side (that was put to the side too, they were not the successful students nor was their culture significant in the school).

JM
(The same was even true for me in graduate school, as I attended Korean, Philippine and African American churches to go with my interactions with Europeans, Indians and Chinese in graduate school. And of course Apolyton widened me too.)

(The point is that school is not a place to get wider experience, rather it is a place to get certain prevailing cultures, some of which are good and some bad. Most of the ones that are general cultures in America I am not impressed with, although particular local cultures might be really great. In any case, investigation of the particular school is necessary.)

[rah]

Did you interact with blacks during your home schooling periods?

[Kidlicious]

Only kid finds it hilarious when an innocent child ends up in prison. Just what kind of person are you?

Like in a movie or a book, not to one of my friends. If it were one of my friends I would have been trying to talk some sense into him, he wouldn't listen, and then the kid's life would be ruined. But then that makes me better than you, not worse.

[rah]

I'm not the one that would find it hilarious, book or real life. You're quite the sicko.

[kentonio]

I didn't have contact with other cultures from school.

Our point exactly.

[Jon Miller]

While there is some truth in that, schools provide a wider experience than any home schooling.
It wasn't until I got to college and started interacted more regularly with minorities and gays before I overcame my fear/bias against them.
(our high school in the late 60/early 70s, was in a "vanilla village")

See, I had a definite fear of gays from puberty. But much of it was due to my school (I was always called gay and harassed by the students). I didn't fear minorities and treated them no differently than anyone else. I was good friends with my African classmates in college, for example. I basically didn't have the 'traditional' responses or expectations or way of referring to minorities in the US system... in graduate school one of the times I started talking to some African-Americans in the bar, just because they were people at the bar and I talked to people who were near me at the bar, and one of my friends (from the south) came over and said 'I apologise for my friend, he doesn't know how to talk to black people'. I didn't, I just talked to African-Americans as I did to anyone else.

It was actually Apolyton and discussions and friendships with people like Asher, as well as not being attacked for being gay in college and related maturation, that ended my homophobia. It was not me going past the value system I was raised in nor going to school. (I didn't have close friends who were gay until after graduate school)

JM
(It is strange, at the same time as I was hassled and called gay and so on, others in the highschool were pushed to be gay... either girls by their boyfriends/prevailing culture or a couple of 'effeminate' boys by the girls. By the time I had graduated highschool there were quite a few out bisexuals in the same school where my life was being made miserable.)

[Jon Miller]

Our point exactly.

I am not talking about homeschool, I am talking about public school.

JM