Who do you think is the worse Christian?

[loinburger]

I see no difference if kid's definition of a life well lived is a moral one based on his god and mine is a virtuous one.

A system of morality based on virtue tends to be a reflective one, whereas a system of morality based on the whims of a deity tends to be a dogmatic one.

[Kidlicious]

How has your faith produced good? And no, "not murdering people" is an example of "not causing harm," not an example of "producing good." Also, being an ******* is definitely not an example of "producing good."

Isn't 'not causing harm' producing good?

[loinburger]

No

[Kidlicious]

Yes. Are you going to answer the question?

I did. If your goal is to do what is right then why should you change your morals?

[Kidlicious]

I see no difference if kid's definition of a life well lived is a moral one based on his god and mine is a virtuous one.

Um.. You were just proposing murdering innocent people. Now you are talking about virtue?

[Kidlicious]

A system of morality based on virtue tends to be a reflective one, whereas a system of morality based on the whims of a deity tends to be a dogmatic one.

And what makes you think that your reflection produces correct morality?

[Kidlicious]

No

Tell that to doctors.

[loinburger]

I did. If your goal is to do what is right then why should you change your morals?

Your only goal in life is to do what is right? Bull****.

[loinburger]

Tell that to doctors.

How many doctors do you know who have never cured a single patient, but who claim to be successful because they've also never harmed a patient? Hell, by your standards I'm the most successful doctor on the planet, as are you, as is everybody else who isn't a doctor.

[Kidlicious]

Your only goal in life is to do what is right? Bull****.

I didn't say that was my goal. I'm answering your question. You're suggesting that I should adjust my morality to produce better consequences. I'm saying that the better consequence is to do what is moral. You disagree?

[Kidlicious]

How many doctors do you know who have never cured a single patient, but who claim to be successful because they've also never harmed a patient? Hell, by your standards I'm the most successful doctor on the planet, as are you, as is everybody else who isn't a doctor.

You didn't say 'just do no harm' you said 'do no harm.'

[loinburger]

I didn't say that was my goal. I'm answering your question.

If you haven't stated your goal then you haven't answered my question. Try again.

[loinburger]

You didn't say 'just do no harm' you said 'do no harm.'

I said that doing no harm is not an example of producing good. A successful doctor does no harm and produces good, whereas an inanimate object is capable of merely doing no harm.

[Kidlicious]

If you haven't stated your goal then you haven't answered my question. Try again.

N/A

[Kidlicious]

I said that doing no harm is not an example of producing good. A successful doctor does no harm and produces good, whereas an inanimate object is capable of merely doing no harm.

Someone who does no harm produces more good than someone who harms.