So how long will Ben last this time?

[Bereta_Eder]

You have fundamentally misunderstood me. I'm not arguing that Europeans are better than Muslims, or Inuits or Zulus or Samoans. I'm arguing that people, everywhere, of every race and creed, revert to brutish and violent power structures when they feel threatened or when life is unstable. That's why bat****-crazy Wahhabism-Salafism is so popular now, because so much of the Muslim world has been under the thumb of thuggish dictators backed up by our guns and money. They feel humiliated and angry; they (or many of them) want revenge, not cosmopolitan Western lifestyles (which they can't have in any case). This is human nature.

Well I can't say I disagree with that.
Except the western lifestyles thing.
Many do want and to a large part live a secular lifestyle, they are actually fighting for it.

That's all.

Well, what remains is kidicious ridiculous assertions about really, anything, so we're done

[Kidlicious]

Well I can't say I disagree with that.
Except the western lifestyles thing.
Many do want and to a large part live a secular lifestyle, they are actually fighting for it.

That's all.

Well, what remains is kidicious ridiculous assertions about really, anything, so we're done

The Jews are the Jews and many Muslims want to kill all of them. Why do you think you can twist this? I am presenting facts. You are lying.

[Ming]

The Jews are the Jews and many Muslims want to kill all of them. Why do you think you can twist this? I am presenting facts. You are lying.

You are misrepresenting facts... Less than 10% of Muslims want to kill all the Jews, and all other non Muslims.

[rah]

I can hear all the muslims saying, Kid wants to kill all Muslims so we should kill every christian first. And we wonder how religious wars start.

[Kidlicious]

You are misrepresenting facts... Less than 10% of Muslims want to kill all the Jews, and all other non Muslims.

That's 100 million Muslims.

[Kidlicious]

I can hear all the muslims saying, Kid wants to kill all Muslims so we should kill every christian first. And we wonder how religious wars start.

They would be liars like you and 5-6 other people in this thread.

[kentonio]

Where did I say Ottoman's didn't have European allies ? Who is lying?

Let's see..

It was devoted, like all empires, to eternal war.

Lie.

The Empire was still trying to take Europe in the 20th century.

Lie.

It was never peaceful.

Lie.

So you managed 3 in a single post. Well done.

[kentonio]

They would be liars like you and 5-6 other people in this thread.

Sure, everyone else are liars and you're the only one who knows the truth. Like crazy people usually think.

[Kidlicious]

Let's see..



Lie.



Lie.



Lie.

So you managed 3 in a single post. Well done.

None of those are lies. I can't keep up with all you liars. You have no evidence. You are brainwashed idiots.

[kentonio]

None of those are lies. I can't keep up with all you liars. You have no evidence. You are brainwashed idiots.

The evidence is easily discovered via a quick look at the timeline of the Ottoman empire. I'd post it here for you, but what's the point in putting in the effort? You'll just either ignore it or just start making different ridiculous claims.

It's a shame that you're more interested in spouting hate about Muslims than actually learning what you're talking about.

[Sava]

In general I feel people take the wrong lessons from medieval history. "For a thousand years, Christians were this way, and Muslims were that way,"--as if that says something meaningful about Christianity, or Islam. The belief system governing Catholic Europe wasn't Christianity so much as Christianity grafted onto Greco-Roman civilization, then smushed together with Germanic tribal law and left to stew for a couple of centuries. Likewise the Muslims, at the peak of their flourishing, weren't always all that strictly Muslim; the caliphs got drunk as hell and wrote poems about diddling little boys.

The real lesson of the Middle Ages is that, when people have their backs against the wall, they tend to get vicious. Catholic Europe spent several centuries getting invaded, assimilating the invaders, fighting off different invaders, invading and oppressing some other people during a lull, then back to getting invaded, assimilating, and hey look at the time, guess we'd better reform this embarrassing papacy, hmm, surfeit of heavily armed and barely civilized men, let's give 'em something to do, CRUSADES! Surprisingly, this lifestyle did not yield cultured poets and philosophers.

Meanwhile, in Muslim Spain, things were peachy. The native Christians were shoehorned into some northern mountains, and the Franks had not done well at invading over the Pyrenees. So they relaxed, got a nice arts scene going, occasionally raided the Christians and demanded tribute . . . until a sudden domestic crisis caused the collapse of the caliphate. Spain splintered into dozens of little kingdoms, some of them ruled by Jews or Christians. This did not sit well with the Muslims, who whistled for some violent, reactionary zealots from North Africa. When those didn't do so hot, they whistled for a somewhat worse pack of zealots from the same source. Still they got pushed back; finally Ferdinand and Isabella married, neatly unifying the Christians, and presently taught the Muslims what violent, reactionary zealotry was really all about.

Meanwhile, with the Muslim threat from the west diminished and no Vikings, Magyars, Lombards, etc. to worry about, the rest of Europe had finally calmed down enough to start the Renaissance. Still had Turks on the horizon--not to mention spectacular internal strife--but we gradually got more civilized from there. Things really took off around the time the Turks started rolling back. Then came the Enlightenment, when various philosophers with enormous grudges against the RCC and a passing intellectual interest in Islam largely invented the narrative we've been spouting with few variations ever since.

A century after that, Islam became so feeble as to become briefly fashionable in an Orientalist craze, in much the same way we invented Pastoralism once actual bucolic life was largely a relic of the past. A century after that, it was so feeble that we were able to hand out pieces of the Ottoman Empire like party favors after WWI. Another century of intercultural pimp-smacking later, much of the Middle East is stuck in a mentality we describe, with a shudder, as "medieval." Savage, insular, and proud of its own ignorance.

But we don't learn the obvious lesson from it.

some serious no true scotsman horse**** right here

[Kidlicious]

The evidence is easily discovered via a quick look at the timeline of the Ottoman empire. I'd post it here for you, but what's the point in putting in the effort? You'll just either ignore it or just start making different ridiculous claims.

It's a shame that you're more interested in spouting hate about Muslims than actually learning what you're talking about.

Islamaphobia is a term that makes as much sense as liberalaphobia. No. It actually makes less sense, considering the history of Muslim aggression towards unbelievers. So why haven't you called me a liberalaphobe?

I really don't care if you post that, because you are just like rah. You don't post evidence. You post crap!

[Sava]

Islamaphobia is a term that makes as much sense as liberalaphobia. No. It actually makes less sense, considering the history of Muslim aggression towards unbelievers. So why haven't you called me a liberalaphobe?

I really don't care if you post that, because you are just like rah. You don't post evidence. You post crap!

you seem afraid of a great many things

me personally, i wouldnt restrict you to just islamaphobia

[Sava]

first and foremost, you seem to be a vaginaphobe

[Kidlicious]

first and foremost, you seem to be a vaginaphobe

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