Afghanistan: US Airstrike Hits Kunduz Hospital

[Apocalypse]

You are not disturbed by this?

War is very disturbing. This situation is incredibly tame compared to what the Japanese did to civilians at Nanking and all over Korea.

[Apocalypse]

The AC130 was just protecting itself?

Legally you can use air support for protection in self-defense cases, particularly if the ground forces cannot guarantee their own safety. This would come up as part of the investigation.

[Sava]

if republicans didn't enjoy killing people, i'd suggest they might try to use the "war crime" angle on our evil mooslimkenyanislamopresident


thankfully, we're only hearing this from the derpy euros


shocking they can find time to be angry at america

dont you have refugee children to kick?

[Apocalypse]

Nope ...
if they knew it is a protected building and attacked nevertheless then it is clearly a war crime and violation of the geneva conventions

If there were just hostile forces in the hospital who were there to get treated, then yes it is a war crime. Israel has made the argument of preemptive self-defense but the US does not argue that. The question is whether or not there were hostile forces actively engaging the security forces on the ground and where those hostile forces were located.

[Sava]

thank you for making rational posts so i can be an *******

[Proteus_MST]

If there were just hostile forces in the hospital who were there to get treated, then yes it is a war crime. Israel has made the argument of preemptive self-defense but the US does not argue that. The question is whether or not there were hostile forces actively engaging the security forces on the ground and where those hostile forces were located.

That actually doesn´t matter ... Part IV, Article 19, Geneva conventions.
Before attacking a hospital (or similar protected building) you first have to inform the hospital staff about the loss of its protected status before attacking and ample time has to pass between the warning and the attack (with ample time usually seen as ample time for evacuation of any staff or patients that may reside within the building).

You signed it, you are bound by it.

[The Mad Monk]

If you were fighting an enemy that shot from hospitals eventually you would have hit a hospital dip****.

Oh and you claiming to not be nationalistic is pure gold.

THERE WAS ONLY THE ONE HOSPITAL DIP****.

[The Mad Monk]

War is very disturbing. This situation is incredibly tame compared to what the Japanese did to civilians at Nanking and all over Korea.

...so Japanese were shooting at us from the hospital?

[Sava]

That actually doesn´t matter ... Part IV, Article 19, Geneva conventions.
Before attacking a hospital (or similar protected building) you first have to inform the hospital staff about the loss of its protected status before attacking and ample time has to pass between the warning and the attack (with ample time usually seen as ample time for evacuation of any staff or patients that may reside within the building).

my guess is that that doesn't apply if forces are responding to an attack in self defense

the scenario you describe is if the US forces initiated the attack

that's not what happened

[kentonio]

thank you for making rational posts so i can be an *******

Come now, you've never needed an excuse before.

[Sava]

this is a great thread, btw

i didn't think i would be able to waste my whole morning on this

[Apocalypse]

That actually doesn´t matter ... Part IV, Article 19, Geneva conventions.
Before attacking a hospital (or similar protected building) you first have to inform the hospital staff about the loss of its protected status before attacking and ample time has to pass between the warning and the attack (with ample time usually seen as ample time for evacuation of any staff or patients that may reside within the building).

You signed it, you are bound by it.

Except it only matters if you are planning on taking out the hospital as a preemptive measure.

[Sava]

Come now, you've never needed an excuse before.

indeed

[kentonio]

this is a great thread, btw

i didn't think i would be able to waste my whole morning on this

It has proved excessively entertaining beyond any considerations of proportionality.

[The Mad Monk]

It doesn't matter what the Japanese did 80 years ago, it doesn't matter what what the Mongols did 700 years ago, it doesn't matter what the Afghans did LAST WEEK. We are bound by our OWN code of conduct!