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  • Originally posted by Sava View Post
    absolutely condemn it

    as a mistake

    but a crime? that's a serious charge and obviously false

    dont be an idiot
    Obviously false? Why is it obviously false? Bear in mind I'm not talking about someone going 'yay, let's bomb a hospital for the lols!', I'm talking about negligence.

    Originally posted by Sava View Post
    also, stop ****ing pretending like the US and UK have different military cultures (in that respect)
    We have very different military cultures in that respect. Largely because of horrible, terrible mistakes we made in the past, that cost countless British lives.

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    • Originally posted by dannubis View Post
      Here, 5 cents.

      Spend it "wisely"
      Thanks. Done
      (just look down your bumm )

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      • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
        Obviously false? Why is it obviously false? Bear in mind I'm not talking about someone going 'yay, let's bomb a hospital for the lols!', I'm talking about negligence.
        you shared the exact "law" the you thought applied

        you are wrong

        from my earlier skimming, I think Apoc was the one who explained why the best




        We have very different military cultures in that respect. Largely because of horrible, terrible mistakes we made in the past, that cost countless British lives.
        HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH


        so you have been asleep for the last 14 years, gotcha
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • Originally posted by Apocalypse View Post
          You are interpreting laws that police would not be able to defend themselves from getting actively engaged just because someone is firing from a hospital.
          yup, he is
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • sadly, the geneva convention doesn't say "no collateral damage"

            which is what, sadly, these deaths were

            if what happened is a crime then war is a crime

            and i'm okay with that

            but it currently isn't

            and you can cry about that all you want, i do
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
              I'm talking about negligence.

              it was negligence... on the part of the afghan forces who called in the airstrike

              if you want to lock them up for a war crime, i will support that
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • Of course all this is bull****.

                Whenever a foreigner steps his foot on another country and is not equipped with a camera, polka dot shorts and a silliy beweldered smile, then all is game.

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                • america could always kill all the men and enslave the women

                  like your people used to do

                  and would do... given the chance
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • yes but it is hypocritical to talk about "well behaved" or not, soldiers that go to another country.
                    What business do they have? zero.

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                    • i agree

                      they shouldnt be there
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                        it was negligence... on the part of the afghan forces who called in the airstrike

                        if you want to lock them up for a war crime, i will support that
                        The US command had the GPS coordinates of the hospital ...
                        therefore (especially as they were the ones who conducted the airstrike) it was (at least in same parts as the afghans) their responsibility to check whether the targeted building was in any way protected considering nowadays computerized environment it should be no problem to just superimpose symbols for protected buildings on a computer map of the terrain).
                        (which is why I would see the US command even as more in responsibility for the incident ... the ground pounders may make the mistake of not seeing that the building is a hospital ... the people at the bomber command however, who are away from the front and have all types of computerized maps have all means of discovering the buildings status)

                        The attack continued for half an hour after repeated phone calls by the hospital staff to the US and afghan command, informing them about the attack (the whole duration of the attack seems to have been a whole hour)

                        Also the attack was conducted by an AC-130 ... which is armed with howitzers, guns and gatlings and has a computerized fire control with a good sensor suite that enables it to precisely direct its fire with all weapon types on board, even at night. Which makes "collateral damage" rather unlikely.

                        I don´t see how the US could be in any form innocent (at least of negligience)
                        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                        • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                          I don´t see how the US could be in any form innocent (at least of negligience)
                          I'm concerned with guilt, not innocence.

                          Show me the exact crime that was committed and the law that applies.

                          You can't because there isn't. Things like "negligent homicide" exist in criminal law. This isn't the TV show, "law and order".

                          There are standards for war crimes. There are specific criteria. This incident does not meet those criteria.

                          In fact, I doubt there is any actual criteria for criminal negligence with regards to war crimes. But I admittedly don't know.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • jm
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • and good luck getting any government to agree to putting mistakes on the list of war crimes
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                                I'm concerned with guilt, not innocence.

                                Show me the exact crime that was committed and the law that applies.

                                You can't because there isn't. Things like "negligent homicide" exist in criminal law. This isn't the TV show, "law and order".

                                There are standards for war crimes. There are specific criteria. This incident does not meet those criteria.

                                In fact, I doubt there is any actual criteria for criminal negligence with regards to war crimes. But I admittedly don't know.
                                Yes, if it was "just" incompetence it may not be a war crime.
                                But one would assume that the US military has procedures for servicemen who, with gross incompetent/unprofessional behavior, endanger human lives (or lead to their destruction).

                                One similar incident that comes into my mind would be Iranian Air flight 655 in 1988 (which was shot down by a US missile cruiser after being mistaken for an attacking Jetplane)
                                (with the notable difference that the incompetence of the people involved in the Kunduz Hospital case is even more striking than the incompetence of the ships crew in the iranian airplane incident)
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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