Once again, French surrender monkeys saved by brave USians

[The Mad Monk]

I blame the French.

[Sava]

[giblets]

History seems to have a lot of quirks

[kentonio]

when you think about it, it really is something of a historical quirk that britain was at all relevant throughout history

We're basically just better than everyone else, it's only natural we owned half the world. If it wasn't for our self-deprecating natures, we'd probably have had the other half too.

[Sava]

well

"we"

you mean your inbred leaders

[kentonio]

If Henry VI hadn't been an insane hippy, England and France would have probably united under a single crown and we could have taken over the world.

[C0ckney]

doubtful. and had the crowns united and stayed that way, it probably would have meant the end of england.

[giblets]

If Henry VI hadn't been an insane hippy, England and France would have probably united under a single crown and we could have taken over the world.

Or absorbed in continental conflicts

[Dauphin]

Or if Henry V hadn't died of dysentery and so outlived the other claimant to the French throne.

[Dauphin]

doubtful. and had the crowns united and stayed that way, it probably would have meant the end of england.

Scotland!

[C0ckney]

Scotland!

yes, i believe that a process with some similarities to the anglicisation of scotland (which of course mostly happened before the union of the crowns) would have occurred in england.

[C0ckney]

i mean let's consider the following: at that time france had 20 million people to england's 3 million; france was vastly richer, and; the political, commercial and religious elites in england were at most a generation or two removed from being all french speaking; the centre of power for any anglo-french kingdom would have been paris, not london, and its outlook would have been continental. there'd have been little room for the flowering of english culture during the next century and a half, and the language itself may have been reduced to a mere peasant tongue. it's hard to see the reformation playing out in anything like the same way; perhaps franceland would even have snuffed it out at source, as happened with the hussites in bohemia, etc., etc..

[grumbler]

There are many reasons for differences in death rates, technology, training, fitness rates etc etc, the hero complex thing is simply another aspect. One which has been discussed in great detail not just by Dr Svensson but by numerous US firefighters and government organizations. It's significant however because it doesn't just affect firefighters but cops too, something you can find many, MANY examples of.

Now you are making my argument and conceding yours. No need for a point-by-point refutation of the rest of your nonsense.

[kentonio]

Now you are making my argument and conceding yours. No need for a point-by-point refutation of the rest of your nonsense.

God you're a tedious *******. Go bore someone else.

[grumbler]

i mean let's consider the following: at that time france had 20 million people to england's 3 million; france was vastly richer, and; the political, commercial and religious elites in england were at most a generation or two removed from being all french speaking; the centre of power for any anglo-french kingdom would have been paris, not london, and its outlook would have been continental. there'd have been little room for the flowering of english culture during the next century and a half, and the language itself may have been reduced to a mere peasant tongue. it's hard to see the reformation playing out in anything like the same way; perhaps franceland would even have snuffed it out at source, as happened with the hussites in bohemia, etc., etc..

Actually, the Hussites won that war. But you are correct that, had the Plantagenets become the Royal House of France, the resulting union would have been that of England to France, not the reverse. And, of course, it couldn't have lasted.