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The Logan Act has never been the basis for any prosecution and I'm skeptical that anyone would ever be successfully convicted on it, least of all a senator or governor.
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It's part of the United States Code. If you think it shouldn't be there, lobby to have it removed or challenge it in the Supreme Court. Until that time it's law.Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
This right here is the exact problem. Apparently those who enact laws think they don't have to abide by them. If that doesn't make you angry, then you don't deserve to live in a democracy.Originally posted by regexcellent View PostComment
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Wake me when ISIS actually becomes a threat to America or a NATO ally.Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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To be fair if it were going to used against a Senator, it would have been used against Ted Kennedy for his attempts to for an electoral alliance with Yuri Andropov against Ronald Reagan in 1984 or Jim Wright for the ‘Dear Comandante’ letter.Originally posted by kentonio View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Also Nixon for sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks. This just means that the law hasn't applied to those in higher office for a very long time, if ever.Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostComment
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I don't think anybody here would call me an Obama supporter.
I believe that Iran is behind a large percentage of terrorism in the world.
I believe that people are idiots if they don't think Iran has designs on getting nuclear weapons.
All that being said...I think the Senators were wrong to do this. They have more constitutional power than anybody else in the country to thwart any treaty that they do not like, but it is the President's job to negotiate them. Obama is the President by two popular elections. Disagree...fine. Vote against the treaty if you don't like it...fine. Undermine the credibility of the U.S. President's Office to conduct foriegn negotiations...NOT fine. Very bad precedent set here....."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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I don't think he's actually intending to put the Iran deal up for a Senate ratification vote based on the reporting I've seen.Originally posted by PLATO View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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and how does that matter with regards to the Logan Act?“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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Then arrest them and challenge it. It won't happen, because it will be declared unconstitutional.Originally posted by kentonio View PostNo, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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If you were ever going to see a Congressmen charged under the Logan Act, it would have started a long time ago because this sort of action is hardly unprecedented.Originally posted by pchang View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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I'm not saying it wasn't a douche move, btw. It's just not illegal, let alone treason.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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Only 1 way to find out for sure. I would definitely like to see this tested and decided explicitly by the Supreme Court.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of ManComment
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Would be better for it to be ignored/repealed.Comment
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Yes it is illegal. Whether that law could stand up to a constitutional challenge is irrelevant. Its an illegal act in the USC.Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostComment
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No it's not irrelevant. If a law is unconstitutional then violating it is not illegal.
In any case, the horse got out of the barn decades ago so getting upset about some senators violating this very dubious law is silly.Comment
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