Bruce Jenner wants to called Belinda

[Sava]

whoa:

Around noon on Saturday, Bruce Jenner was involved in a three-vehicle collision on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu, TMZ reports. There was one fatality; eight people were involved.

A law enforcement source told TMZ that Jenner appeared to be okay, and he can be seen standing and speaking someone who appears to be an emergency worker in photos published on the site.

http://gawker.com/bruce-jenner-involved-in-three-vehicle-crash-one-dead-1684436160

[korn469]

What I don't understand about Mr/Mrs. Jenner is why now? Why wait 65 years, if he has felt he is the wrong gender for decades? I mean I will admit that LGBT still don't have things easy, but for at least the past 10 years, it hasn't been horrible. Hell look at the true story behind dog day afternoon, a guy robs a bank for his transgender lover in the early 1970's. Why wait so long?? I don't get it.

Another note, it looks like Jenner caused an accident that killed another driver today.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce-jenner-fatal-car-accident-pacific-coast-highway-malibu-photo-dead/

Ninja'd by sava

[Pedotard]

I wouldn't say their problems stem from society. In fact, I wouldn't say they have a problem at all. The only problem is that people are assholes. If people stop being assholes, there's no problem.

Now you're creating problems for assholes. assholes wield a lot of power.

[C0ckney]

Another note, it looks like Jenner caused an accident that killed another driver today.

women drivers

[DaShi]

I wouldn't say their problems stem from society. In fact, I wouldn't say they have a problem at all. The only problem is that people are assholes. If people stop being assholes, there's no problem.

Who cares how people want to define themselves? Isn't that how a free country is supposed to operate? Don't you often pontificate how awesome a country America is because people can come here and escape whatever persecution they faced?

Put your money where your mouth is, hypocrite.

Are your deeply held beliefs on what constitutes gender so important to you that you have to try and shame other people?

The only proper response to your attitude towards transgendered folks is: FUCK OFF

Beyond that, I'd say you'd need to be pushed down a flight of stairs. But I'd only prefer that as a last resort... when we've determined that you are a totally lost cause.

Exactly, HC is the very problem that his friend and others like him are being victimized by.

What's particularly interesting is how hung up he and reg are about this issue. Most people don't really care. But they act like their very lives are threatened by transgenders and such.

[Sava]

Exactly, HC is the very problem that his friend and others like him are being victimized by.

What's particularly interesting is how hung up he and reg are about this issue. Most people don't really care. But they act like their very lives are threatened by transgenders and such.

I agree. They have a very disturbing obsession with this issue. It's shameful.

[Sava]

Another note, it looks like Jenner caused an accident that killed another driver today.

Seems like paparazzi were the cause of the accident... similar to what happened to Princess Diana.

Also, if you want to be sickened, read the comments on TMZ.

Internet shitstains are out in force.

[Lorizael]

I agree. They have a very disturbing obsession with this issue. It's shameful.

Indeed. They've previously taken the angle that transgender people are delusional, and that this is why it bothers them, but that doesn't really line up with their other beliefs. The kucibros are pointedly okay with the majority of the US population believing that some middle eastern guy rose from the grave after being executed and that this somehow allows everyone on Earth who agrees with the things that middle eastern guy says to live forever.

[Jon Miller]

It is very obvious that transexual people are delusional. Has there been one person, ever, who was born a man and became a woman? Has there been one person, ever, who was born a woman and became a man?

That being said, I don't think that we should place large limitations on the delusional. If someone wants to appear to general society as a (wo)man when they are not, than that is generally OK. It is of course a problem for certain male-female relations, but those are not the most significant components of societal interaction.

I personally treat transexuals as the sex they want to be treated as (generally in my experience a man being treated as a woman). It isn't harmful to me (since I am happily married) and gives them happiness. If I was a close friend it might be my responsibility to point out that they are delusional, however, I have never been a close friend to a transexual.

What I do have a problem with is the scientific/medical community. I think their behaviour is highly unethical. Not those that do the operations (in general), as I said I don't think we should place many limitations on delusional adults. But those on the mental health/treatment side definitely. First, telling people that the cosmetic surgeries will change sex due political (liberal) beliefs is obviously unethical from the scientific perspective. Second, telling their patients that they should do costly and painful surgeries in order to treat a physical problem when it is a mental problem is obviously unethical from a medical perspective.

To me it is obvious that at some point in the future my problem will no longer be a problem. So if I am alive when you can actually change your sex (be a man in your 20s, a woman in your 30s, a man in your 40s through 60s, and a woman afterwards... for example), my position will change. And I will think it pretty cool.

JM

[Lorizael]

There's a lot wrong with your post that I've covered in previous threads on this subject. And I suspect me ridiculing your religious beliefs doesn't engender an atmosphere of fruitful discussion. Also I'm about to go meet a friend at a diner. So, you know, go on thinking what you think.

[Alexander's Horse]

I don't have a problem with sexual re-assignment per say. Some people need that apparently.

What I find weird is the uber male Olympic gold medal decathlete, father of several children, once a hero to boys around the world, deciding at the age of 65 that he wants to be a woman.

Maybe some good will come of it. I don't know.

And now Bruce/Belinda has had a car accident, hmmm, maybe not...

[Jon Miller]

There's a lot wrong with your post that I've covered in previous threads on this subject. And I suspect me ridiculing your religious beliefs doesn't engender an atmosphere of fruitful discussion. Also I'm about to go meet a friend at a diner. So, you know, go on thinking what you think.

I recognise that you could say "Has there been one person, ever, who was died and came back to life?" and respond by noting that I am supportive of delusional people (in general) living how they desire to. My problem is with the medical/scientific community and not the delusional transgenders.

JM
(I will note that my 'delusion' is based off a supernatural event that happened ~2000 years ago while yours (I am assuming that you agree with the standard pro-trans position) is based off the belief that science is changing sex of people in the last ~100 years which is, based on science, wrong.)

[DaShi]

I will note that my 'delusion' is based off a supernatural event that happened ~2000 years ago

This doesn't make you sound any less crazy.

[Hauldren Collider]

What I do have a problem with is the scientific/medical community. I think their behaviour is highly unethical. Not those that do the operations (in general), as I said I don't think we should place many limitations on delusional adults. But those on the mental health/treatment side definitely. First, telling people that the cosmetic surgeries will change sex due political (liberal) beliefs is obviously unethical from the scientific perspective. Second, telling their patients that they should do costly and painful surgeries in order to treat a physical problem when it is a mental problem is obviously unethical from a medical perspective.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it.

Though I honestly think we are going to look at sex reassignment surgery someday the same way we look at frontal lobotomies now: With horror and disbelief that any serious medical professional thought it was a good idea to prescribe it to patients.

In terms of my friend, he has plenty of issues, but none of them are from being "genderfluid". It is apparent to me and many others close to him that this is his way of avoiding confronting what his real problems are. Based on my experience, I think this is true of many (maybe most) of the people who decide to identify as transexual or some other bizarro combinatorial gender thing.

[korn469]

I don't have a problem with sexual re-assignment per say. Some people need that apparently.

What I find weird is the uber male Olympic gold medal decathlete, father of several children, once a hero to boys around the world, deciding at the age of 65 that he wants to be a woman.

Maybe some good will come of it. I don't know.

And now Bruce/Belinda has had a car accident, hmmm, maybe not...

That is what I don't understand either. In the late 80's up to 1990 before he started dating Kris Kardashian, he already had children. He was 40, probably had more than enough money to live a comfortable life. Why not decide then to pursue this? Why now? The cynic in me thinks it's to boost his family's reality show empire.