what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Sava]

this graph will expain it

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Pretend, for a moment, that I'm an ignorant American and don't speak Greek

[Dinner]

That's strange, my memory must be getting faulty, but even less biased sources than RFERL confirm this chronology.

It is easy to get details mixed up, I do it too. If Yanocovich hadn't ordered his forces to open fire on the protesters he might very well still be in office. The EU deal just called for a neutral unity caretaker government and snap elections which Yanocovich might very well have won. Sadly, he did order his forces to open fire and that is when the protests went from mostly peaceful to a full blown people's uprising against him.

From there Putin saw it was over and began ordering the invasion of the Ukraine because he was so angry that the Ukraine was slipping away from Russia.first in Crimea (followed by a shame election held under the gun of the Russian army) and then in eastern Ukraine where there was no locals uprising until the FSB and Russian Army invaded.

[Dinner]

this graph will expain it

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Why doesn't that map show Croatia in the EU?

[Dinner]

The new problems in the balkans were caused by the USA to try and stop the russian pipeline (greek-turkish one).
The feckers are promoting the big albania and caused the death of people

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/item/%CE%B5%CE%B8%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AD%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%87%CE%AD%CF%82-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1-%CF%83%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%80%CE%B9%CE%B1-%CF%80%CF%89%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%B8%CF%8D-%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C-%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%82-%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%87%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%81%CE%B5%CE%AF-%CE%BD%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BD-%CF%81%CF%89%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C

this article shows how the feckers are trying to target the weak spots of where the pipeline will pass and they have identified fyrom as the weakest one due to ethnic divisions which they now exploit leading to the death of people

That is one of the more zany conspiracy theories you have come up with. Putin killed South Stream all on his own because after oil prices dropped he didn't have the money to finance it. It didn't help that the EU, rightly, brought up antitrust issues which would have forced the pipeline to be under different ownership.

[Sava]

you sound like a conspiracy theorist

[Bereta_Eder]

Why doesn't that map show Croatia in the EU?

I don't know but it must be some evil conspiracy

[Ellestar]

It is easy to get details mixed up, I do it too. If Yanocovich hadn't ordered his forces to open fire on the protesters he might very well still be in office. The EU deal just called for a neutral unity caretaker government and snap elections which Yanocovich might very well have won. Sadly, he did order his forces to open fire and that is when the protests went from mostly peaceful to a full blown people's uprising against him.

Again, let's look at the facts, not at your alternate reality from madhouse.

First, "protesters" who burn police alive with Molotov cocktails are not "protesters", they're rioters, terrorists, whatever you call it, not protesters.

Second, every country who gave in to a recent Western coup ended bad - Lybia, Ukraine are in a civil war.
Countries that repelled recent attempts to destabilize them, not giving in to opposition and protesters, did fine - Russia, China, USA, Macedonia etc.

So, the conclusion is that the right way to do things is to act as a "democratic" USA - if someone kills your police and burns things, just call an army and kill all offenders. It's a democracy, stupid!

Unfortunately, Yanukovych was too retarded and believed in Western "guarantees" and listened to the West that said not to kill "protesters". He paid for it dearly and was forced to run for his life. NEVER listen to the Western liars. Just do what West itself does (they have lot of experience in dealing with opposition, they're already democratic, so they don't need one to prove that they're democratic), in this case USA - just kill "protesters" if they cross the line and become terrorists.

From there Putin saw it was over and began ordering the invasion of the Ukraine because he was so angry that the Ukraine was slipping away from Russia.first in Crimea (followed by a shame election held under the gun of the Russian army) and then in eastern Ukraine where there was no locals uprising until the FSB and Russian Army invaded.

I don't understand one thing, how people like you can possibly exist? You spew bull**** like that one without blinking an eye. Are you even a human being?
Election results were confirmed by independent observers, and later by many independent opinion polls. That's a fact. Yet you repeat the same bull**** again and again.
Local grandmothers stopped tanks with their bodies at the start of the "anti-terrorist operation" in the Eastern Ukraine. These grandmothers also serve in Russian Army? What about Ukrainian passports of freedom fighters in Eastern Ukraine? All of it was all over TV and Youtube, and you lie and lie anyway. Are you a brainwashed clone that was programmed to spew lies?

[Saras]

Again, let's look at the facts, not at your alternate reality from madhouse.
First, "protesters" who burn police alive with Molotov cocktails are not "protesters", they're rioters, terrorists, whatever you call it, not protesters.

Police were shooting not at people throwing molotovs, but rather randomly. Footage shows a crawling man being shot, can't be arsed to find it for you because it's rather pointless to argue with (I suspect) a troll in a paid troll farm in Novopizdetsk or something.

Second, every country who gave in to a recent Western coup ended bad - <...>Ukraine are in a civil war.<...>

oh btw, all you gave as "proof"of western backing of a "coup" was the word "brokered". Look it up, it's not what you think.

Election results were confirmed by independent observers, and later by many independent opinion polls. That's a fact. Yet you repeat the same bull**** again and again.

Independent? Far right loons on the payroll of Russian security services. Name one credible non-loon observer, you jackass. Also, you conveniently forget that it was Russian troops who controlled the referendum.

Local grandmothers stopped tanks with their bodies at the start of the "anti-terrorist operation" in the Eastern Ukraine. These grandmothers also serve in Russian Army? What about Ukrainian passports of freedom fighters in Eastern Ukraine? All of it was all over TV and Youtube, and you lie and lie anyway. Are you a brainwashed clone that was programmed to spew lies?

Local grandmothers also stole SAM batteries (and shot them at MH17), operate Grad, Uragan and Buratino systems, tanks, and have stashed ammo enough to equip France. Right.

[Dinner]

I like how poly is important enough to get our own paid Putin troll. Sadly, I doubt he gets paid very well to be a liar for Putin.

[onodera]

Independent? Far right loons on the payroll of Russian security services. Name one credible non-loon observer, you jackass. Also, you conveniently forget that it was Russian troops who controlled the referendum.

Pew?

[self biased]

which logical fallacy is this one again? appeal to authority?

[Saras]

Pew?

Pew did not observe elections, they do surveys. Non loons, granted.

[Bereta_Eder]

[Ellestar]

Police were shooting not at people throwing molotovs, but rather randomly. Footage shows a crawling man being shot, can't be arsed to find it for you because it's rather pointless to argue with (I suspect) a troll in a paid troll farm in Novopizdetsk or something.

And do you have a proof that that man was shot by police? Nope.

The only indisputable facts are that Yanukovych didn't give an immediate order to shoot for his police even after terrorists used Molotov cocktails against police, and it lead to a civil war in his country. USA ordered an army to shoot and USA is doing fine. So, the conclusion is that you need to kill violent protesters. And a second conclusion is that it's perfectly 100% democratic to use an army to shoot violent protesters, after all The Paragon of Democracy, USA, does so.

Independent? Far right loons on the payroll of Russian security services. Name one credible non-loon observer, you jackass. Also, you conveniently forget that it was Russian troops who controlled the referendum.

Noone was banned from becoming an observer, so any free independent observer was free to come, and they did. If someone didn't come, like OSCE observers who were invited as a part of OSCE organization, it only proves that OSCE isn't a free organization that can come and observe election that isn't sanctioned by the West. See? It's an easy logic. Free obsevers acted like free people should act, and came to observe the referendum, non-free didn't come. In a world of western lies, actions speak better than words.

Local grandmothers also stole SAM batteries (and shot them at MH17), operate Grad, Uragan and Buratino systems, tanks, and have stashed ammo enough to equip France. Right.

I won't discuss MH17 for now - after all, parts of missile warheads and/or cannon rounds should have been found in a wreckage or bodies a long time ago, so it makes sense to wait until first official results.

But i will mention that out of several million people living on a territory controlled by rebels, there ought to be at least 200.000 people who served in an army? Or probably even more. And there were bases with equipment, including the biggest USSR supply bases what were located in Eastern Ukraine for a good reason - it's the farthest point from the West on a territory of Ukraine.

[Ellestar]

To be more precise, i'm talking about two USSR Military Districts - Kiev Military District and Odessa Military District. Both Districts were on Western USSR borders, so they're one of the most armed ones, compared to any eastern Military Districts on the border or Military Districts in the middle of a country. And the safest (furthest from the West) points of these two Military Districts are in Donetsk and Luhansk oblast. That's why many strategic military depots of Kiev and Odessa Military Districts were in Donetsk and Luhansk oblast that was controlled by the rebels. That's two out of a total of five Military Districts which resided on a Western USSR border.

Of course, Russia also helped with military equipment, military advisors and volunteers. I said that it will be a "Spanish Civil War" scenario on this forum before it even started, just after a coup. As i said about a year ago, it would have have been stupid not to help people who're fighting our enemies who want to kill us (yeah, it's not a good idea to chant "kill Muscovites" on the streets if you really want to do it - thanks to Hitler, now we tend to believe in such words).