what happened to the großrossiya thread

[binTravkin]

So? Emblems are obviously different, different shape, different coloration. Nowadays with a modern computerized equipment you can make a fan-made emblem in 5 minutes basically for free.

Yes, yes, and tank is captured from Ukrainian base and is driven by Donbass miners.
Where have I heard all this before..

[Hauldren Collider]

Ellestar, are you still on this trip that Russia isn't in Donetsk? Christ.

I've been saying we should call the Russians' bluff and start attacking these separatists. They're not Russian so why should Russia be mad? Not that I expect this president to do anything about it. Iran's been seizing ships off the open ocean and we're still trying to make deals with them.

[Dinner]

I'm going to Estonia in three weeks and I'm looking forward to standing by the Narva river and grabbing my crotch and giving the finger to the Russian border guards on the other side.

I have seen some pictures of some Baltic babes and am thinking I need to visit soon too.

[Hauldren Collider]

Creepy

[Bereta_Eder]

To these people you are trusting the "defense" of your country

One washes his hands /pilatus

[regexcellent]

I have seen some pictures of some Baltic babes and am thinking I need to visit soon too.

Yeah that'd be a big plus but I have a girl I'm seeing now in Rochester so that may not be on the menu

Also worth noting: the booze is cheap.

[Sava]

Yeah that'd be a big plus but I have a girl I'm seeing now in Rochester so that may not be on the menu

Also worth noting: the booze is cheap.

Nice!

[binTravkin]

You just have to buy the booze at a shop or go to "locals" bars.
Bars aimed at tourists often have everything much more expensive.

Meanwhile in Washington. The Embassy of Russia is preparing for trouble.

[Ellestar]

You just have to buy the booze at a shop or go to "locals" bars.
Bars aimed at tourists often have everything much more expensive.

Meanwhile in Washington. The Embassy of Russia is preparing for trouble.

But of course! Look at all these recent riots in US cities. It's better to be safe than sorry.

[Ellestar]

Bloomberg has a good piece about how eastern Ukraine is switching over to roubles because so many Russian soldiers get paid in roubles and they are the only people with money to spend these days especially since the Ukrainian government has stopped making pension payments to rebel controlled areas. Russia is also paying the salaries of all rebel government officials in roubles now as well.

If they don't get any money from Kiev, how can they pay pensions in the money they don't have?

Similarly I could dismiss you copying the Kremlin line on "nazism in Latvia" and illegal occupant rights.
You're just not getting anywhere by ignoring the **** that's going on in your country while pointing fingers at others.

Yeah, yeah, we all know that it's the West who "revisions" (new euphemism for lies and propaganda) the results of WW2, supports Nazis once again (this time in Kiev) and so on. And of course blames Kremlin for being the real Nazi.

[binTravkin]

Yeah, yeah, we all know that it's the West who "revisions" (new euphemism for lies and propaganda) the results of WW2, supports Nazis once again (this time in Kiev) and so on. And of course blames Kremlin for being the real Nazi.

Fascism or Nazism are not just "tags" you can assign to people or groups randomly.
There are certain signs that either qualify or disqualify a group of people as belonging to those ideologies.
I already posted the signs of fascism which have been determined by scholars who have been studying fascist regimes and I repost them here again:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Source: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Russia scores 14/14, therefore it's a fascist regime.
Since Russia is ruled by a de facto dictator, it's a fascist dictatorship.

Ukraine scores 4/14 on this list - 1., 9., 10., 13.

Latvia scores 0/14 on this list. Even if we accept your criticisms (1.,2.), Latvia still scores only 2/14 which means it doesn't even qualify for Fascism, let alone Nazism.

On the "historical revisionism".
Ever wondered why almost the entire world's view on history and current events differ from the Kremlin official line?
Ever wondered why is it so that while you recognize that politicians often lie or do not tell all the truth, Russian ones appear to never lie?

[Bereta_Eder]

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
USA USA!


2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Non adherence to human rights charts


3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
commies, mooslims, ruskies


4. Supremacy of the Military
largest GDP spending in the world


5. Rampant Sexism
I guess depends


6. Controlled Mass Media
are you a news man or are you a businessman? /paccino


7. Obsession with National Security
Homeland security


8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
In God we trust



9. Corporate Power is Protected
no sh!t

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
totally - neoliberalism.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
check. money is the only cause


12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
hahahahaaaa check


13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
not cryonism but corruption? plenty

14. Fraudulent Elections
floridaaaa

[binTravkin]

Yes, it's possible to argue USA exhibits some signs of fascism.
But:
1. They don't exhibit all 14. Please read the source. It explains more in detail.
2. It doesn't change the fact, that Russia clearly displays all 14.

[C0ckney]

1 is almost universal. 2, western countries usually respect human rights internally, but are happy to engage in foreign wars and bombing campaigns in other parts of the world; the US has held many people for years without trial and many western countries cooperate with them. 4 is variable, in the US one can say yes, but far less so in other western countries. 6 is very common, a handful of powerful people control most of the media in most countries. 3 and 7 are very common too; the expansion of security service powers and the fear of 'terrorism' used to justify it. just about every capitalist country (including lativa) exhibits 9 and 10. 12 is not true for most western countries, but certainly is for the US. 13 and 14 one could certainly make an argument that a small number of people controlling most the of wealth qualifies, with that same wealth used to control the political process.

[binTravkin]

1 is almost universal. 2, western countries usually respect human rights internally, but are happy to engage in foreign wars and bombing campaigns in other parts of the world; the US has held many people for years without trial and many western countries cooperate with them. 4 is variable, in the US one can say yes, but far less so in other western countries. 6 is very common, a handful of powerful people control most of the media in most countries. 3 and 7 are very common too; the expansion of security service powers and the fear of 'terrorism' used to justify it. just about every capitalist country (including lativa) exhibits 9 and 10. 12 is not true for most western countries, but certainly is for the US. 13 and 14 one could certainly make an argument a small number of people controlling most of wealth qualifies, with that same wealth used to control the political process.

No.
1. Read the source.
2. Stop generalizing.

It's actually science, not some relativistic generalization of stereotypes.