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  • It is not what is happening. There are new thrusts pushing deeper into Ukrainian territory. Putin is responding with more force, not less.
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
      It is not what is happening. There are new thrusts pushing deeper into Ukrainian territory. Putin is responding with more force, not less.
      Good! Let Russia waste its money. Occupying Ukraine is not feasible. Best thing to do is not fall for the bait.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • What is the position on Tibet these days?
        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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        • free tibet

          just... without me having to do anything
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            ...

            Allowing Putin to win here is dangerous. The precedent it sets is important. Are we going to live in a world where we tolerate people like Putin taking grabs out of countries when they feel like it, or are we going to live in a world where people like Putin respect and fear the consequences of doing so, and countries are able to self-determinate and settle their differences diplomatically? That is what is stake. Not just Ukraine. The entire international system we have built up post-World War II and post-Cold War. Remember, it took a lot of sacrifice to put that system in place.
            That´s for sure ...
            Putin AFAIK says of himself that he is a student of history ...
            it is very clear that with Ukraine he more or less follows Hitlers example with Czechoslowakia and Sudetenland.

            And we know that Hitler wasn´t satisfied after League of nations didn´t put up any real resiatance towards his landgrab of most of Czechoslowakia.

            Fortunately in our modern intercnnected world, economic sanctions may be more helpful than they could have been against Hitler (especially considering that Nazi germany (also thanks to the alliance with russia, prior to Barbarossa) was economically much more independent than russia is nowadays)
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            • To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                I don't think that was quite what I suggested.
                That's what you implied when you spoke so approvingly of H&M's efforts. The Minsk agreement already acceded to the demands for autonomy the rebels made and that didn't turn out to be enough. Putin also hasn't conceded an inch since Russia annexed Crimea so hard to see how he's going to accept a new peace plan without yet more concessions from Ukraine.
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                • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                  Well, what ... Hitler also played the ethnicity card ...
                  "our (german) people" are getting supressed by the evil czechoslowakian gonvernment and need to be protected.
                  The only difference being that Hitler didn´t risk a plebiscite about Sudetenland but rather chose to annex the Sudetenland right away.

                  Nazi-Germany even gave an example for Holiday-soldiers, with Legion Condor in the spanish civil war

                  But as I wrote, as yourself I think that economic sanctions might finally be successful in getting Putin to agree to a peace plan
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                    The UK has announced it reserves the right to supply arms to the Ukraine if he decides that is what is needed. They said they are not currently doing so and do not have immediate plans to do so, but warned it may in the future if Russia continues its invasion. Further he warned the UK would take "decisive action" to prevent any collapse of the Ukrainian Army.
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                    • Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                      Well, what ... Hitler also played the ethnicity card ...
                      "our (german) people" are getting supressed by the evil czechoslowakian gonvernment and need to be protected.
                      The only difference being that Hitler didn´t risk a plebiscite about Sudetenland but rather chose to annex the Sudetenland right away.

                      Nazi-Germany even gave an example for Holiday-soldiers, with Legion Condor in the spanish civil war


                      But as I wrote, as yourself I think that economic sanctions might finally be successful in getting Putin to agree to a peace plan
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        It is not what is happening. There are new thrusts pushing deeper into Ukrainian territory. Putin is responding with more force, not less.
                        That's very sad.

                        And yet, not our problem.
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • A funny thing, if you look at maps of the situation at the time of the Minsk agreement and the maps of the situation 2 weeks ago you find that mysteriously during the ceasefire Ukraine made some modest gains. I'm not sure that's a very "cease-firey" thing to do.
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                          • Originally posted by Lonestar View Post
                            That's very sad.

                            And yet, not our problem.
                            It wasn't our problem when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, either. But then all of a sudden it was our problem. Funny how that happens, right? This has to stop somewhere, and when it does, we'll be involved. Better to do it now, before more damage is done.
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                            • don't surrender the argument like that
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • It "wasn't our problem" when South Korea was invaded by North Korea, but the benefits of rescuing them have been enormous. It wasn't our problem when the Kuomintang lost mainland China, but the benefits of rescuing Taiwan have been enormous. It is absolutely worth our time and treasure to keep a fledgling free-market democracy from falling into the hands of a tyrant. And that's in addition to preventing a precedent where dictators feel free to make land grabs. China's eyeballing the South China Sea while Putin marches around Eastern Europe.
                                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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