Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Sir Og]

ah, so the failures of global capitalism are to blame for the rise of the nazis

Contractionary monetary policy is not a feature of global capitalism. It's a feature of people being incompetent.
During the Great Depression the UK solved it's tight money problem by exiting the gold standard and within two years they were back to pre recession levels. No glorious revolution was needed.

so if you leave out the whole political, historical and social context, and all the events, then you're left with an economic situation which was somewhat similar (but actually still quite different). it's just a silly comparison.

What I am arguing is that:
1) without the massive unemployment Syriza/Nazis never win an election. If you have to narrow the rise of these parties to a single proximate cause it would be the huge unemployment.
2) the massive unemployment is caused by collapsed demand (contractionary monetary policy) Which is an easily fixable problem if you actually identify it.
3) the causes of thight money policy were simmilar for Greece now and Germany back then.

[Sava]

Contractionary monetary policy is not a feature of global capitalism. It's a feature of people being incompetent.
During the Great Depression the UK solved it's tight money problem by exiting the gold standard and within two years they were back to pre recession levels. No glorious revolution was needed.



What I am arguing is that:
1) without the massive unemployment Syriza/Nazis never win an election. If you have to narrow the rise of these parties to a single proximate cause it would be the huge unemployment.
2) the massive unemployment is caused by collapsed demand (contractionary monetary policy) Which is an easily fixable problem if you actually identify it.
3) the causes of thight money policy were simmilar for Greece now and Germany back then.

Incompetence is a key feature of "capitalism"

[Sir Og]

Incompetence is a key feature of "capitalism"

Lets agree its a key feture of anything involving humans.

[Sir Og]

I just read a couple of interesting pieces regarding Greece.

http://www.globalizedblog.com/2015/03/greece-is-still-trapped-act-two.html

http://socialistworker.org/2015/03/02/the-deal-that-trapped-syriza

Basically what they are saying is that Syriza is doing more austerity than before. They give one talk to the masses but what they actually do is a continuation of the previous policies.

[Sava]

Lets agree its a key feture of anything involving humans.

I've been saying that for years.

[C0ckney]

Contractionary monetary policy is not a feature of global capitalism. It's a feature of people being incompetent.
During the Great Depression the UK solved it's tight money problem by exiting the gold standard and within two years they were back to pre recession levels. No glorious revolution was needed.

this isn't true (at least the impression it gives). the UK economy was anaemic during the 30s and only got going again due to rearmament for ww2. george orwell wrote probably the best known as life for the unemployed in the mid 30s in the road wigan pier.

What I am arguing is that:
1) without the massive unemployment Syriza/Nazis never win an election. If you have to narrow the rise of these parties to a single proximate cause it would be the huge unemployment.

well the nazis never actually won an election, but leaving that to one side, one can just as easily say that the nazis never take power without:

the treaty of versailles
hitler's oratory
the campaigns of street violence
the weakness of the weimar parties
the communists' refusal to work with other leftists parties
papen's scheming...

i can go on, the list is a long one, but hopefully you get the point.

perhaps a better, and certainly less godwin, analogy for syriza's win would be the changes in government in europe in the wake of oil crisis in the 1970s.

[Sava]

Syriza/Nazis

You understand that your credibility on this matter is now zero, right?

[pchang]

Just nationalize the assets of these guys: http://www.ellines.com/en/good-news/...o-gia-to-2015/
or maybe these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...k_billionaires

problem solved!

[Dinner]

You can bet they have all moved their liquid assets out of Greece long ago just in case.

[Fake Boris]

I 'd like to suggest you to go and visit rural Russia (i.e. anything but moscow and st petersburg), eastern Ukraine, rural eastern Europe, rural China...
I bet that you'll come to the conculsion that reasonable politics from mainstraim parties aren't all that bad.

Policies from the mikes of Syriza and co on the other hand...

Wrong again.

China is being rapidly urbanized, with the ensuing decrease of quality of life witnessed in the western industrial revolution. Also, it is only a matter of time before China hits a depression which will cause massive misery despite higher aggregate production.

Policies from the mikes of Syriza and co on the other hand...

So you blame Syriza's 6 months of government for Greece's problems?

[Dinner]

Your reading comprehension seems very poor. Why don't you read what the man wrote and then assume he meant what he wrote rather than trying to claim something radically different from what he wrote? That would be a good start.

[Fake Boris]

Well China is aligning with what dannubis would call "reasonable" policies.

[dannubis]

Are you telling me that current economical policies in china are the same as the policies it had under mao?

And granted, under mao there was no real danger of econmic collapse... they were rock bottom and 30 million chinese starved to death...

[dannubis]

So you blame Syriza's 6 months of government for Greece's problems?

No

[Dinner]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/11559341/Irelands-lesson-for-Greece-stuff-happens.-Deal-with-it.html

Nice piece about how the Greeks need to stop whinging and pretending they are victims.