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  • Cockney, are you deliberately being dishonest? I ask because it seems like you are. The early retirement is for government workers, nearly all of whom get their jobs as part of a political spoils system, so whoever wins elections puts all of his cronies in cushy government jobs and places in the state owned industries where they do nothing but drink coffee and read the newspaper all day because they have no official duties. If he is feeling really ambitious then maybe he might stamp a few forms but only if the people who need the forms stamped first pays him a bribe, of course.

    Greece is rotten to the core and only a fool can't see that. Your article was so full of fail it is hard to even know where to begin. First of all austarity didn't cause Greece's economic problems, Greece not paying it's ****ing bills caused the problems, Greece went begging for more free money from Germany when NO ONE ELSE would loan them a penny, and Germany agreed to do so in exchange for badly needed reforms which help to fix the reasons why Greece is such an economic basket case. Greece is now saying they won't live up to their side of the agreement so it is time to stop protecting them from the real world and watch them burn. Kick them out of the Euro and watch the new drackma quickly become as valueless as the Zimbabwean dollar or the Cuban Peso. Watch all their banks fail over night. Watch as zero imports get into the country because no one will accept the new drackma and instead demands payment up front in either Euros or dollars. The stupid lazy Greeks are 100% responsible for this and instead of trying to fix the problems they are still trying to see if they can change nothing and instead just want the rest of Europe to let them be welfare queens forever. It is time to say enough is enough, cut them loose, and enjoy watching these morons burn their own country to the ground. On the upside this will serve as a warning to the other PIIGS about ignoring reality plus the rest of Europe will at least benefit from a flood of cheap Greek prostitutes on every street corner. That, at least, would be more economically productive than what the Greeks are currently doing.

    Oh, and you are a fool is you think the Greeks can't pay. Way back in 2012 there was a top to bottom inventory of saleable government assets (everything from race tracks to casinos to old office buildings to ports to airports to government owned companies of which there are hundreds) and they concluded even if they only made $0.50 on the dollar off of the sale of those assets they would still net $80 billion. Greece's entire national debt is only $140 billion so they very much can pay but don't want to and instead think that if they delay enough the rest of Europe will keep giving them free money and then they won't have to change anything.
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    • Oerdin, your post may be one of the most beautiful things I've ever read on poly. I think I might cry. It's poetry from beginning to end.
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      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        Oerdin, your post may be one of the most beautiful things I've ever read on poly. I think I might cry. It's poetry from beginning to end.
        You whore! Wait until Dinodoc sees that you let Oerdin fight your battle for you.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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        • brilliant as ever oredin. i've offered statistics from the OCED and eurostat to dispel your myths; you've offered anecdotes, no doubt gleaned from sources almost as poorly informed as you are, and baseless assertions by the bucket load to support them. i've offered a coherent analysis of the first bailout (#121); you've offered a litany of poorly spelt myths and ridiculous nonsense.

          i'm not going to waste my time deconstructing that monte de merda. if you want a debate, try posting a decent, coherent argument, with some supporting evidence.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • Originally posted by DaShi View Post
            You whore! Wait until Dinodoc sees that you let Oerdin fight your battle for you.
            it's quite touching; perhaps it was their mutual hatred of arabs that brought them closer together.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • in just three days the new former Marxist leader has claimed he will increase spending by $20 billion, that he will rehire 12,000 government workers, increase the salaries of government workers by giving them all a free 13th month of salary, raise the minimum wage despite 25% unemployment and businesses fleeing in droves (not to mention Greek workers already have some of the highest costs but lowest productivity), and complete his first three days of idiocy he said he wants to get ride of foreign owned hotels especially those ones offering all inclusive packages. Oh, and he wants to double the tax on hotels abd eliminate all properity taxes, which are just about the only tax Greeks actually do pay. He should be begging for foreign investment not chasing it away and he should be doing everything he can to increase tourism as it brings outside money into the country.

              He, of course, expects the rest of Europe to just keep paying for all of this forever. This will not end well and Greece needs to be left to suffer the consequences of their actions.
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              • The German financial elites em to all agree that Greece will need to be shown the door if they refuse to live up to their side of the agreement. The only question is if 5he German political leadership will stand firm and do the right thing or if she will give in to more Greek blackmail. Just toss them out and be done with it.
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                • Originally posted by Sava View Post
                  ^^ attitudes like this keep Europe divided and weak
                  Somehow I am now honestly curious what you wrote in the California Bailout Thread a while back.
                  Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    I think what keeps Europe weak is when they bankroll poor decision making by countries like Greece.
                    Thankfully, the adults know better.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • Originally posted by Main_Brain View Post
                      Somehow I am now honestly curious what you wrote in the California Bailout Thread a while back.
                      I have no clue.

                      But even though red states in the US tend to be the "takers" and not the "makers", you don't see me complaining about the rest of the country having to support those conservative cracker fucks.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • When no one will lend you money, you have no choice but to live on what you earn.
                        “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                        • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                          . i've offered statistics from the OCED and eurostat to dispel your myths;
                          No you didn't. If anything you have proven that Greek labor on the whole is not productive.
                          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                          • Originally posted by dannubis View Post
                            No you didn't. If anything you have proven that Greek labor on the whole is not productive.
                            yes i did. please learn to read.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • still waiting for you to provide some evidence to back up your position by the way.

                              (i suspect it will be a long wait).
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                              • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                                2. if you want to present some evidence for your contentions, then please don't let me stop you.

                                here are some productivity figures from eurostat, it appears that greek productivity is lower than the EU average, but higher than most of the 2004 entrants and portugal.
                                You really needed me to repost one of your own links ?

                                BTW, you find the same data in the OECD tables where your graphs came from:

                                Germany:

                                Labor hours per cap: 701
                                GDP generated in USD (2005 PPP) per hour: 50.9 (+80% vs Greece)

                                Spain

                                Labor hours per cap: 653
                                GDP generated in USD (2005 PPP) per hour: 40,4 (+43% vs Greece)

                                Greece

                                Labor hours per cap: 724
                                GDP generated in USD (2005 PPP) per hour: 28,3

                                So, I stick by my comment that while Greeks may work long hours, they are terribly innefficient at generating value.
                                "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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