Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[C0ckney]

Yeah, let's compare a state devastated by war, that also had to shoulder the debts of eastern territories it no longer got revenues from, including the indemnities from WWI, that had to house 10 million refugees and that was trying to shake off a Nazi past, with todays Greece.

although the situations are very different surely the principle is the same. germany couldn't pay, its debts were written off. greece cannot pay, its debts should be written off. if i lend a bum R$1000, then we can say he has a moral obligation to pay me back, but i must also take responsibility for not taking reasonable precautions, when he cannot pay me back.

there's also a broader point here about the framing of the issue. all the posts you've made, although i can see where you're coming from, are underlined by the assumption that greece is embarking on a loony left fantasy and has rejected the correct, sober, and sensible course of action. it is this course of action taken by the TROIKA and the greek government has led to the greek economy shrinking by almost 25%, unemployment of 25%, youth unemployment at 50%. the greek economy is broken, the TROIKA plan not only hasn't worked, but has been an absolute disaster for the greek people and greek society.

[N35t0r]

The only way to deal with corruption is to eliminate the ridiculously huge regulatory bureaucracy.

I am not advocating eliminating all regulation. But by all means continue to play dumb.

So you either advocate for leaving in some regulation but no means to enforce said regulation (pretty useful) or you need to be clearer when you post. But by all means call me dumb over it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yeah, let's compare a state devastated by war, that also had to shoulder the debts of eastern territories it no longer got revenues from, including the indemnities from WWI, that had to house 10 million refugees and that was trying to shake off a Nazi past, with todays Greece.

So what you are saying is that Greece should be given a "Marshall Plan" of sorts?

[Sava]

I like how we tried to make Germany seem like the victim.

[DinoDoc]

I like how we tried to make Germany seem like the victim.

I like how people are making Greece out to be the victim. The simple solution here is for Greece to default on its debts and leave to Euro in order to get control over its monetary policy again.

[DinoDoc]

So what you are saying is that Greece should be given a "Marshall Plan" of sorts?

Only if we get to bomb them into oblivion first.

[Colon™]

although the situations are very different surely the principle is the same. germany couldn't pay, its debts were written off. greece cannot pay, its debts should be written off. if i lend a bum R$1000, then we can say he has a moral obligation to pay me back, but i must also take responsibility for not taking reasonable precautions, when he cannot pay me back.

there's also a broader point here about the framing of the issue. all the posts you've made, although i can see where you're coming from, are underlined by the assumption that greece is embarking on a loony left fantasy and has rejected the correct, sober, and sensible course of action. it is this course of action taken by the TROIKA and the greek government has led to the greek economy shrinking by almost 25%, unemployment of 25%, youth unemployment at 50%. the greek economy is broken, the TROIKA plan not only hasn't worked, but has been an absolute disaster for the greek people and greek society.

I said before that it's not realistic to expect Greece to repay all its debt. However, when you offer debt relief you want to make sure that the debtor doesn't simply continue with the ways that got itself into trouble. Germany wasn't offered debt relief so that it could go straight back to invading its neighbours and slaughtering Jews. And that's consistently been the problem with Greece the past years: they've been given 2 bailouts in which prior debt was written off or restructured, bringing down interests payments as a share GDP to below Italy's. In return they were supposed to carry out reforms to bring their finances on a surer footing, but they've often been incapable and unwilling to do so, even when they're plainly in their own interests as is the case with the land registry farce. And now we have a Greek government that actually wants to go straight back to the old ways while at the same time requesting new loans.

The Greek can get themselves a stable of ponies for every woman and gold-plated Ferrari for every man for all I care, but FFS they have to do with their own damned money.

And again, if they the Troika hadn't bailed out Greece (with loans that were substantially cheaper than market loans), they would have had to default. Then they would no longer have been able to plug the gap with debt, meaning they'd have had to cut back expenses and raise new revenues irregardless, only far more drastically. Within weeks, not years.

Just ****ing default already.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Have you seen Greece? It looks like bombs have already gone off .

[DinoDoc]

Just ****ing default already.

I think it's an experiment to see how much free money they can get from Germany before they get cut off.

[DinoDoc]

Have you seen Greece? It looks like bombs have already gone off .

We get to bomb (none of this metaphorical BS) them and loot their national treasures, or no Marshall Plan money.

[Hauldren Collider]

We also need to get to keep military bases on their territory indefinitely and have a strong say in their foreign policy (meaning no more trying to suck Putin's dick from behind)

[Imran Siddiqui]

We get to bomb (none of this metaphorical BS) them and loot their national treasures, or no Marshall Plan money.

The British have already beaten us to the national treasures .

[Sava]

I like how people are making Greece out to be the victim.

pro-tip. They were. That's the whole point.

[Colon™]

Where's Paiktis?

[Sava]

Where's Paiktis?

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