Congratulations Anti-vaxers. Measles spreading in California

[Sava]

Trolling can be fun, but taking pride in it, in the end analysis, is taking pride in the fact that you pretended to be an idiot or a heel, and people believed you really were one, and responded accordingly.

Better to be a fake idiot than an actual idiot. Like you.

[Dr Strangelove]

Does it require me to talk to people or put forth any effort whatsoever?

I think you could automate it online. They send in the money, they receive a testimony that they're members of your church and that your church renounces the use of vaccines. Make up your own "bible" and send that to them also.

[Dr Strangelove]

the doc was correcting JM, not me

and it was a great troll

Huh. Ever notice that when someone introduces valid and useful factual information into a discussion "Thanks" are almost never forthcoming? Let me try something different.

[Dr Strangelove]

Quote Originally Posted by Jon Miller View Post
The vaccine works by giving your immune system practice beating up weak (or dead) versions of the virus. Then it is stronger and can work on the real thing. There isn't any reason for someone without a vaccine to have a stronger immune system than someone with.

Not quite. Vaccines am like "juice" for your immune system. Make immune system bulked up and strong. Sometimes maybe have little problem with control. Hulk Smash!!!!!! Smash puny virus! Hulk vaccine am strongest there is!!!!

[Berzerker]

Huh. Ever notice that when someone introduces valid and useful factual information into a discussion "Thanks" are almost never forthcoming? Let me try something different.

You addressed your comment to someone else, not me. I dont see how your comment is in conflict with what I said and you haven't bothered to explain why its relevant. But thanks for your contribution

Not quite. Vaccines am like "juice" for your immune system. Make immune system bulked up and strong. Sometimes maybe have little problem with control. Hulk Smash!!!!!! Smash puny virus! Hulk vaccine am strongest there is!!!!

Yes, we've already established vaccines help those with weaker immune systems, except for those harmed by them of course. People who need vaccinations weaken the genetic pool, instead of affording future generations protection against the bug like naturally immune folk they decrease long term herd immunity. When the vaccines no longer work a larger percentage of the population is vulnerable.

[Dr Strangelove]

The comment wasn't specifically addressed to you, I just noted that introducing real facts into the discussion yielded no "Thanks", but look at the result of the alternative.

[DinoDoc]

You're probably old enough for this to matter, Berz. Did you turn down smallpox vaccination?

[Dr Strangelove]

I can no longer find that scar on my shoulder.

[Berzerker]

No, why would I? My folks took me to the doc or the school gave them. I'm not arguing against the short term benefits of vaccines, my argument is they might (will) eventually decrease herd immunity and our medical intervention may spawn future superbugs. We're upping the ante in an evolutionary arms race with disease and nature's gonna fight back.

[DaShi]

You're a ******.

[Sava]

It's pronounced, "ritard".

[pchang]

Berz thinks vaccines and antibiotics work on the same principles. What a dolt.

[Dinner]

How are they going to verify membership in Jehovah's Witnesses?

Oh! Oh! Sava! I have a great idea on how you can earn some extra money without leaving home! Start your own church, include the belief that vaccines are sinful, charge people a fee for a testimony that they're members of your church.

The state apparently has three listed exemptions. Medical, religious, and personal belief. It is still going to allow religious but wants to get rid of the personal belief exemption. Personally, I think it is a mistake to allow the religious exemption and think it should also be eliminated. Copy West Virginia and Mississippi by making a no ex3ptions other than for medical reasons policy.

[N35t0r]

No, why would I? My folks took me to the doc or the school gave them. I'm not arguing against the short term benefits of vaccines, my argument is they might (will) eventually decrease herd immunity and our medical intervention may spawn future superbugs. We're upping the ante in an evolutionary arms race with disease and nature's gonna fight back.

No.

[Dr Strangelove]

No, why would I? My folks took me to the doc or the school gave them. I'm not arguing against the short term benefits of vaccines, my argument is they might (will) eventually decrease herd immunity and our medical intervention may spawn future superbugs. We're upping the ante in an evolutionary arms race with disease and nature's gonna fight back.

No. Vaccines are specific to single organisms. Do you have any idea how many different species of bacteria and viruses you're exposed to over the course of your childhood? Do you know how many different species of bacteria and fungi live in your skin? Your colon? Do you have any idea how many viral genomes are currently attached to your own DNA? You have plenty of exposure to organisms which will stimulate your immune system. We don't vaccinate against them so vaccination has no effect on their role in the development of an individual's immune system.
There's a new polio-like enterovirus that afflicted some children in the US, not many, less than 100 I believe. There have been no deaths, the paresis is milder than polo, but so far only one kid has recovered fully. Polio is an enterovirus too, other enteroviruses cause "stomach flu". Since Polio is virtually not found in the US presumably this virus evolved from one of those causing a gastroenteritis syndrome. Polio vaccination had nothing to do with its evolution.