US embargo on Cuba on it's last breaths

[N35t0r]

That's more likely.

The embargo is an excellent PR tool for the Castro regime. Also, economic liberalization will only put more pressure on the regime.

[MRT144]

I think this is probably a stupid idea :/

Because your dogmatic conservatism dictates it or because you have actual reasons that would make sense to anyone regardless of political stripe.

[Hauldren Collider]

Because I accidentally posted that in the wrong thread.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm basically against embargoes. If we want to take down a regime, we should use bullets, not trade. Trade has never worked. Whereas taking down other peoples' governments is basically why we have bullets. If we aren't willing to use bullets, maybe it's not so important after all.

[MRT144]

I don't disagree with the intention of ending the embargo. I disagree with ending it as a reward to a government for taking American hostages. It seems like the surest way to encourage more of the same in other similar regimes.

Just like Vietnam's downfall caused communism to envelop the entirety of southeast asia. Because slippery slopes always happen if they're merely theorized about.

Name the regimes that are in this nebulous space between contemplating taking Americans hostage explicitly to elicit a response from the US, and actually doing so? Who is on cusp of this behavior that already doesn't already do so?

[DinoDoc]

The embargo is an excellent PR tool for the Castro regime. Also, economic liberalization will only put more pressure on the regime.

The fact the Communist Party in China (to use a convenient example) is still in power makes your optimism a little weird.

[Hauldren Collider]

Just like Vietnam's downfall caused communism to envelop the entirety of southeast asia. Because slippery slopes always happen if they're merely theorized about.

Actually, yes. Cambodia and Laos both became communist. Had we won in Vietnam, it might have been prevented.

[MRT144]

Actually, yes. Cambodia and Laos both became communist. Had we won in Vietnam, it might have been prevented.

It could be argued that American intervention in Vietnam inspired support for those regimes because nobody likes arrogant invaders or collaborators.

[Hauldren Collider]

It could be argued, but it would be argued incorrectly. There's really no reason to believe that at all.

[N35t0r]

The fact the Communist Party in China (to use a convenient example) is still in power makes your optimism a little weird.

Yes, because the embargo has totally worked. I've been there. I've talked to many people. It won't happen overnight, but ending the embargo will help, not hinder the process.

Regarding China, they have a significant economic advantage over Cuba, and so far have managed to keep dissent down, but there's a blooming middle class there, do you think the communist party has a tighter grasp on the country now than 20 years ago? Do you think, if the Chinese economy continues growing, that Chinese people won't start demanding more freedom on the long term?

[Bereta_Eder]

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[Hauldren Collider]

I don't see it as inevitable that China will stop being an authoritarian ****hole. It worries me. But I'm not really afraid of Cuba becoming an authoritarian economic powerhouse.

[Hauldren Collider]

Paiktis, che guevara was a terrible person

[Kidlicious]

The embargo is an excellent PR tool for the Castro regime. Also, economic liberalization will only put more pressure on the regime.

This is wrong. The regime is popular because Cuba has always received subsidies from other nations. The regime is able to claim victory because of this. But handouts can't be depended on forever and the regime is facing a very real possibility of being cut off. This is why reforms are being implemented now, because Raul doesn't want the embargo. Ending the embargo is absolutely retarded.

[N35t0r]

It could be argued, but it would be argued incorrectly. There's really no reason to believe that at all.

Dude, a lot of people (a lot) worldwide utterly hate the us for it's countless invasions and meddling in other countries' politics, and that has provided huge political support to anti-us factions. Do you think those are generally liberal and pro free market?