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    Advance warning: this post is a semi-coherent rant. With that aside, let's begin.

    Holy ****.

    So, I assumed that this was one of those schools with retarded diploma mill degrees that people went to because they furiously want to believe that the earth is 6000 years old, and no self-respecting biologist, linguist, geologist, physicist, or astronomer will say so. I was right, of course--more on that later. I've been dimly aware of its existence for a while, but yesterday I ran across someone who went there. This inspired me to research it a little further.

    First of all, holy goddamn ****. I have never seen a more hateful institution of higher education. Like, hating homosexuals seems kind of ordinary to me. That's normal among super-conservative churches. However, BJU (hehehe) kicks the bigotry up several notches in every dimension, including racism. Interracial dating was prohibited until the year of our lord 2000. Yes, 2000. They got rid of it because of a media hoopla about the policy after George W. Bush gave a stump speech there on the campaign trail. It hardly matters though because there are, to a first order approximation, no black people there anyway.

    In addition, they hate Catholics and Mormons. Mormons, like gays, are passe, but Catholics? The second chancellor of the school (until recently a hereditary position in the Jones family) referred to Catholicism as "not another Christian denomination. It is a satanic counterfeit, an ecclesiastic tyranny over the souls of men....It is the old harlot of the book of the Revelation—'the Mother of Harlots.'" Never mind that the catholic church (lowercase c) WROTE THE ****ING BIBLE. He referred to all popes as "demon possessed." **** you, dude. JP2 hid Jews from the Nazis in his basement. Come to think of it though, Mr. Jones Jr. was probably cool with the holocaust, so I guess that isn't points in his favor.

    Speaking of Mormons, fundamentalist criticisms of the LDS church have always rung really hollow to me. I have traveled from the "holy land" to North America, on an El Al flight from Tel Aviv to Newark, New Jersey. Therefore I find the notion that Jesus could travel to the Americas eminently more reasonable than turning water into wine. But I digress.

    Going back to the point about the diploma mill. I suspect in normal subjects like math, English, or even philosophy, the education is as good as any third-rate university. That in mind, the faculty appears to be deeply intellectually inbred. Professors are often former students, and those that aren't tend to be from one of the handful of other fundamentalist baptist colleges. Accreditation is dubious. It's accredited by TRACS, the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, which itself has Department of Education certification. So students are eligible for federal loans and so forth. But very few states do, including ones you might expect to be inclined to support religious education, like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas. Note that there are other religious accreditation agencies which are accepted across all 50 states, like ABHE (Christian) and AARTS (Jewish).

    In spite of this, the school has had two presidents speak at it, more than my school, and has in the past been deeply influential in the South Carolina Republican Party. Its graduates have wound up in prominent positions in clergy, politics, law, and media. And picketing funerals. Fred Phelps went there. I'm not even surprised.

    Student policies at BJU (I still can't read that without giggling) are even more restrictive than at West Point or even the Citadel. Which, I should point out, are both real schools that grant degrees that real people care about, unlike BJU. Freshmen have to sign in and out of campus. Dorms are separate, male and female, and women are not allowed in the mens' dorms and vice versa. There's no uniform but there is a strict dress code. You can be expelled for extramarital sex, possessing pornography, or listening to "contemporary music." Contemporary music includes Christian rock music and jazz. No headphones are allowed, so that they can hear what kind of music you're listening to. You can watch PG-13 movies in the presence of faculty only.

    Oh yeah, and students are allowed to date each other...so long as a chaperone is present.

    I mean, I'm okay with the fact that this school exists--freedom of speech and thought and all that--but what would possess anyone to go to a school which issues a nearly worthless diploma and controls your life like you're a ****ing convict? The students there are adults. If you believe that sex outside of marriage is wrong, and that you shouldn't dress provocatively, that rock music is bad etc. etc. then surely you are capable at the ages of 18-22 of just...not doing those things? Without being told?
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    Nothing a little bit of LSD in the water wouldn't cure.
    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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    • #3
      The school is there for the benefit of the parents, not for the benefit of the students.
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      • #4
        I'm glad you seem to dislike Bob Jones University, reg. There's hope for you yet.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Welcome to 15 years ago, reg.
          "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
          "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sava View Post
            I'm glad you seem to dislike Bob Jones University, reg. There's hope for you yet.
            The most disconcerting aspect is that even though I am a conservative right wing Republican gun owner and NRA member who voted for Ken Cuccinelli, the folks at BJU would still call me a RINO.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
              The most disconcerting aspect is that even though I am a conservative right wing Republican gun owner and NRA member who voted for Ken Cuccinelli, the folks at BJU would still call me a RINO.
              That's cuz you are a whiny liberal bastard, duh!
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                There's hope for you yet, reg.
                Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                • #9
                  Reggy, since when do you ever care to speak up against bigotry of any sort??
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #10
                    Jesus ****ing Christ, MrFun.
                    "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                    "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                    • #11
                      Guy, to be fair, reg probably hasn't even seen Twelve Years a Slave
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                      • #12
                        As I've said before: the rise of the Nones in this country is due primarily to the insistence of certain prominent religious leaders on acting like complete, total and utter ass-clowns. Dawkins is doing his very best to make the other side look bad, but he just can't keep up with these guys, Phelps, Jack Chick, etc. Even with Harris and Maher helping. Alas.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          As I've said before: the rise of the Nones in this country is due primarily to the insistence of certain prominent religious leaders on acting like complete, total and utter ass-clowns. Dawkins is doing his very best to make the other side look bad, but he just can't keep up with these guys, Phelps, Jack Chick, etc. Even with Harris and Maher helping. Alas.
                          It also helps that science has basically crushed the **** out of any element of the mystical for western religions, something that in low information societies still holds power.
                          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                          • #14
                            Yeeeeeaaaahhhh I really don't have time to get into that argument. BK will be along shortly, though.
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                            • #15
                              BK should have every reason to think this school is stupid, if he actually is Catholic.

                              I think one of the key problems with this school isn't that it's religious, but that it's political. There are plenty of explicitly religious universities that aren't terrible. Brigham Young, for instance, is quite good. I have a Buddhist friend who goes there, in fact. Liberty is mediocre but not downright terrible. A number of Jewish yeshivas are very prestigious.

                              Apparently the engineering programs at Bob Jones are ABET accredited now, which means they're probably legit. But God help you (heh) if you have a degree from there in Christian Biology or whatever they call it.

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